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#49146 04/22/2010 04:59 AM
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Dear fellow collectors! Would you please classify this certain buckle of a member of any Werkschutz (factory protection force)?
Each help would be appreciated.
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perhaps those that have the ability to enhance the buckle by computer can give us a better pic to look at,,,hard to tell anything from this pic,, Confused

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militarymania, thank you for looking at the buckle. But this is the best I can do, a highest possible resolution scan.
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Nothing comes to mind but I will have a look about.

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Thank you very much for looking. I personally assume it might be a brand of a firm which formed the front plate of this buckle. But the hard I ask and look I cannot find any firm (as large as to have a Werkschutz) with such a brand.
To me it looks like a star ("north-star"???)or a cross with a sword to the lower left. But I am not sure about that.
Any further help will be appreciated.
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Any luck finding out what the emblem was associated with?

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that patch on his left arm.. Looks to be the right spot and shape for the Werkschutz factory patch.. IF it is then the buckle is Werkschutz... But which factory is still the mystery....
Some can crop photo, enlarge, get it on the photo editor and try experimenting maybe get a clearer/better image.

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Hello derjager and Gaspare, thank you for looking. The facktory where this Werkschuz memer was on duty remains still unanswered.
@ Gaspare, as the arm patch and the badge on the peaked cap are clearly Werkschutz there is no doubt.

I already did contact special german buckle collectors without luck.

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wotan #348784 03/03/2021 06:22 PM
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Hi wotan,

I don't know if this symbol would be possible or correct for Werkschutz, I don't know that much about them. But to me from what little I do see, it looks to be a runic symbol, maybe two. Just trying to help.Best!

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Hello Mikee, thank you for looking and thinking about the buckle. What I have learned about members of Werkschutz is that although they mostly did wear a kind of standarized uniform (especially concerning the arm patch and the emblem on the paked cap) - which is the case here-, the buckle often had a direct connection to the works they did protect. If I remeber correct eg Volkswagen did have the VW emblem in their buckle or Heinkel the wheel with the wing.
So this special buckle should have a connex to one of the larger german works (I think small works did not have the money to let manufacture thier own buckles) but I never have seen tis emblem up to now.
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Wotan, Thank you for the information. I will look at all the brands that I have. Best!

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thought I recognized the arm patch size/area in photo:

this was my collection . Sorry had to cut in half to be able to see anything:
Took me years to just get this stuff. Having to many things and not wanting to neglect adding to, I sold it to a old friend [complete] a few years ago who promised to keep adding to it.
anyway,,

,one thing I never had was any of the different factory buckles. They are really rare to find!

There is a topic on WAF about the badges,,,maybe a search on them and you might find the emblem,,,probably in the back of some of the manufacturers / trade guild booklets,,I'll check mine..
Maybe check in archives[?]..

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Hello Gaspare, a nice collection you are showing us. Yes, the cloth badge you show in two variants is the certain arm badge.
I am very sorry that I cannot show here the full pic. But unfortunately even here there are crooks around (I eg had a hard discussion in another forum) who download pics from the net and show them in the net as they would be their own pics or even use them in publications. Which is a pity as hard gained and highly paid pics are simply downloaded and used by these crooks. Therefore I do show only cropped pics any more.

I did several tries, with scanner and photographing the buckle but it only became worse. Due to the photopaper structure it is impossible to get a better copy of the buckle.

Here the armbadge and the badge on the peaked cap as proof it is truely a Werkschutz member.
It looks that there is something written in the armbadge, above the emblem and perhaps this could give a hint to the certain works but how hard I try it is absolutely impossible to read.
Just for further information, there is nothing written on the reverse, no studio stamp, not the least hint to a region or something like this.

Regards,

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Great collection, Gaspare.

I have some equivalent pins and badges from Norway.

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thanks guys...

Wotan,, I have only heard of a factory,,an area,, a rank being hand embroidered on the patch,,never actually seen it,,,but that sure looks like there's something there!. Wow,,if that was just a bit clearer.. But he's wearing his cap , etc... Must be a great photo... Something on the emblem will eventually show up...

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I wonder if a negative image of the buckle in question would show it better?

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Hello --dj--, thank you for your hint. I am no pc freak but looked through the possibilities I could find and there was no negative image possible. But I did pla a little with the possibilities I could find and here is the result:

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I have searched through numerous logos, day badges, buckle collections, etc.
Hard to figure what to type for a direct search. Four point star with a ray on the lower arm? A comet? Something I'm not seeing? smile Looks like there may be something at the center of the star. Or not.
Interesting for sure. Nagging tickle at the back of my mind that I have seen something like it somewhere.

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Interesting picture. Is it possible the buckle is for a Werkschutz detachment sporting the company’s logo?


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I agree that it looks like something written at the top of the cloth arm badge. That would probably be a leading clue.
I could do a negative image with your permission but do not feel in this instance it would show up anything different than your last image.

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I assume the collar tabs are no help.


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