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#122815 03/18/2008 01:12 AM
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Here's the only one for War Wounded I have. Again a Wernstein Jena.

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.DRGM 35269

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#122819 03/18/2008 01:23 AM
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Here is another DRL. It is unmarked. I am unsure as to the material, but it may be zinc or something similar.

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#122820 03/18/2008 01:24 AM
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Back showing square style pin and loop.

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#122821 03/18/2008 01:25 AM
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Another view of the pin

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#122822 03/18/2008 09:48 PM
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Raymond, Falstaff2k, many thanks. Smile

35269 is an official number for the DRL series just as 33918 is for the DRA series. The official name of these numbers eludes me.

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DRGM = Deutsches Reich Gebrauchsmuster. (German Reich registered design).

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#122823 03/19/2008 01:44 AM
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Raymond, on the Petz & Lorenz the obscured letters are WTTBG.
Nice example, has character. Smile

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#122824 03/19/2008 08:48 PM
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Thanks Joe. I'm looking forward to seeing other examples from different makers. It would be nice to get one of each maker posted.

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It would be nice to see other examples. You covered my lone example on page #1 a FERD. WAGNER.
Let's see what everyone has to show. Smile

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#122826 03/19/2008 09:46 PM
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My three
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Bronze back

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Silver front

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Silver back

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Gold front

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Gold back

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#122832 03/23/2008 04:43 PM
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Stan, nice, all three. Who are the makers of the bronze and silver?
I can make out the gold but my tired eyes can't make out the other two. Smile

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#122833 04/13/2008 05:03 PM
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BTTT.


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One more time around.


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#122835 12/29/2008 05:30 PM
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My only one.
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Markings.
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#122838 01/25/2009 02:48 PM
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Here is my example.
It is a Wernstein Jena and DRGM 35269





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Phatt #293964 01/18/2014 09:21 PM
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Bringing this thread back to life to ask a couple of questions.

First question is that there are de-Nazified examples of this badge that have the swastika removed and the bow then re-created by a jeweler or some third party. These seem to be straightforward modifications by individuals in order to continue to wear the badge. There are other examples that appear to have the pointed bit of metal over the wreath where the swastika was but there is now only a bow. Were these particular examples made postwar by reworking the wartime dies to eliminate the swastika but keep the point above the ribbon bow? And if so, who did this? There are newly made postwar examples without the swastika but the type with a seemingly reworked die is distinctive.

Second question is about the DRGM numbers that Wernstein seemed to use. Why did Wernstein use both sets of DRL and DRA numbers on the same badge?

Any ideas or thoughts would be appreciated.


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ORPO #293972 01/19/2014 01:36 AM
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Here is a photo of the postwar style of badge that I was aluding to above. This one seems to have had the wartime die altered to remove the swastika as it still has the top of it above the ribbon as can be clearly seen from the back. Frankly, the pin assembly on this one looks like it might be a postwar S&L style, although it is hard to tell.

Not my badge but a DRL badge found on the internet as an example.

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ORPO #294203 01/25/2014 09:10 PM
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Orpo, as far as I understand the factory examples with the tip remaining were from reworked dies. I have seen what appear to be new dies with the letters having a solid surround. They must have been used for a short time before the BSA and LSA badges were introduced. I don't recall now, was there also a DSA post war type? As to who made the post war DRL's catalogs would have to be found.

As to Wernstein's use of numbers? I read something but will have to clear the cobwebs to recall where. smile

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derjager #294204 01/25/2014 09:23 PM
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Cobwebs pushed to the side for the moment. Found where we discussed this.
http://phpstack-500133-1583587.cloudwaysapps.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=288108&page=2
Could be the earlier DRGM no. was used on an initial batch of Wernstein DRL's before issuance of the new DRGM no. (?).

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derjager #294241 01/26/2014 04:02 PM
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Thanks Joe. I did not think we had reached a conclusion on the Wernstein numbers but a number change makes sense. Wernstein is an odd maker who wound up in the Eastern Zone of Occupation so he did not make postwar DRL or LSA or any West German sports badges. Interestingly, I have seen quite a few of his wartime badges that have been de-Nazified by having the swastika removed by a jeweler or some Bubba in order to wear it postwar. Perhaps jewelers liked to modify his badges because he was not in West Germany and therefore not a legal issue? Probably a question for another day.

I do agree with you that these "new" DRL badges with just the point of the swastika, as shown above, had to be made from reworked dies. Seemingly cheaper to do this than make new dies, particularly early in production.

You mention the new LSA badges that were made from 1949-1952 before being replaced by the national DSB badges. These required new dies and here is an example of one that I suspect was made by Steinhauer & Luck. It is interesting in that it is entirely unmarked but has early S & L. hardware as well as a distinctive back with "ripples" in the metal. This same trait is seen on later St.u.L. marked DSB badges. This one is also interesting in that it comes with a distinctive paper packet with a stick on label. I have never seen another wartime or postwar badge with a paper packet like this with a stick on label. Has anyone else seen a packet like this? Perhaps a use of leftover NOS wartime packets?

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ORPO #294274 01/27/2014 03:42 PM
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It occurs to me that we did not mention what the LSA badge was. It was the Landessportsabzeichen that replaced the wartime DRL badges, made in three grades (bronze, silver, gold). It was only manufactured from 1949 to 1952 when it was in turn replaced by the new national DSB Sports badge. The LSA badge was awarded by the Wurttembergisher Landessportsbund and the Badischer Sportbund during this time period.


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Since the DRA thread has been reopened (and the link to here does not seem to work) let's reopen this DRL thread.

Here is an example of the War Wounded DRL badge. Notice the DRGM number is also 35269 on this later wartime badge.

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War Wounded DRL back.JPG (38.24 KB, 32 downloads)
War Wounded DRL maker.JPG (42.63 KB, 31 downloads)
War Wounded DRGM 1.JPG (42.63 KB, 31 downloads)

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