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Hello everyone
I have never seen HJ leader dagger with M7/14 maker mark. What is it ? Fake or original ?
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Unfortunately, this is not a period dagger, only H?rster ( RZM M7/36) and Eickhorn (RZM M7/66) made these HJ leader daggers.
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Herman
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Hello, Herman is right. A fake. An overall well made fake but still a fake. And yes, only HOERSTER and EICKHORN are the two known producers. Regards,
wotan, gd.c-b#105
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Thanks for the interest. I havent"t seen HJ leader dagger of other makers but Eickhorn and Horster too.However i haven"t seen any copies of such good quality.
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Vik
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Yes, the quality of this fake is remarkable but beside the trademark due to minute details it is clear that it is a fake. Regards,
wotan, gd.c-b#105
"Never look for sqare eggs" as a late owner of an original FHH-dagger used to say.
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This would fall into the category of a "superfake". Wry well made item produced solely to deceive collectors.
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Why would the maker not use one of the two known marks? They made a very nice dagger. They must have known the original maker marks. Ed
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I totally agree, how is it possible to make such a perfect copy and make a mistake like that ... I don't understand
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I have always wondered that. And it's not just on these HJ daggers, there are others that have the same problem, a very well made dagger, with a wrong maker mark. The maker could have not been after money, a buyer would know. There are period puzzles, and post war puzzles. Ed
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I think the issue of trademarks came to a head in the mid/late 1960s. Marto of Spain started making reproductions using fairly accurate trademarks of various Solingen firms. A few of the companies who were still in business sued Marto for trademark infringement. The suit was joined by the Solingen Blademakers Guild. Marto lost big time. Shortly thereafter, reproductions appeared with "Weyersberg Belin", "Holler Berlin", etc., or spurious marks such as "Herbertus". Luneschloss was an attractive target since they were a small firm, and went out of business at the end of WW2.
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Thanks Vern So this dagger was made as a repo and sold as such, not for big money to fool buyers? Do you know what they were sold for in the day? How much as of late? Just kind of interested, Ed
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Some were sold as original, with the explanation that not all makers had been identified. I've seen some nice repros sell in the $75-100 range.
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I have also seen a well made M7/43. I think they marked them with previously unknown marks to charge more money for a unique individual, rare piece.
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