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Hi there,

please excuse my usual bad English.

Inspired by a thread in the WAF (https://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1023846 ), I would like to show pictures of a TKR.
The question arose whether it is possible that a skull could have been soldered upside down - before 1945.

The answer is yes!

I have very bad pictures here with an example. The pictures show a ring (Weber 20.4.37) that was found by a friend of mine in the Harz mountains, together with the "Fuehrer Feldbindenschloss". The ring was definitely genuine and the repair was contemporary. The ring was found exactly in the area of the border strip of the former GDR.
Unfortunately the ring with the complete collection was stolen on October 1st, 2009. And never showed up again. Therefore there are no other pictures.

I thought that might be interesting...

Best regards,
Dierk

such a situation is not uncommon, there is an assumption that this happened when the size of the ring at a private jeweler changed and when the skull was re-soldered, they simply confused how the skull should have been located, and soldered it upside down )))

I agree.

The only question that came up again and again was whether such changes were mandatory in the post-war period.
You can rarely be sure - but the ring shown is a really safe example.

Best regards,
Dierk

when it was made IMO unreal understanding

nothings ever really 100% so we can only offer our opinions..

For me since it was found with a SS buckle,, the only way I believe that could be done during the 3rd reich would be for it to be done like in Poland or another occupied country..
Germany proper wasn't that large. The HR was kept low key,,,but I'd think any German jeweler seeing Himmlers name in there that they wouldn't want anything to do with it!

There are a bunch of them out there,,I'd say all done by a small shop in a occupied country or postwar..

Is there records of the size of them when given to the man? Would be interesting to see the given size,,then measure the resized ring and see the mass/weight the guy lost on the Russian front or where ever!! Seems to be always a weight/size loss as I don't ever remember seeing a ring made larger! Think only H.Goring had that problem!

Hello,

no attempt was made to determine the former owner. Unfortunately there are many "Weber" in the Dienstaltersliste 1938 who already had the ring. It is even more difficult, like with my "Meyer" ring.

Like my ring, it came into the earth in the area where the 11th Army (and with it the SS Pz.Brig. Westfalen) capitulated in April 45.

Yes, a ring resizing in Poland or Czechoslovakia is conceivable.

Best regards,
Dierk

This is dug out ring from Czech republic, I would like to add that the recipient lived in former Czechoslovakia and the ring have been most probably resized in there. The recipient was commander of 3. Sturmbann ("WITKOWITZ") of 107. Standarte.

SAUER

Unfortunately I cannot bring any proof concerning the ring but I can assure you that period pics reveal things you would NEVER think could happen at these times. And each of those items would get a heartful laugh if offered on the collector?s market today. I do own two pics. One of a higher ranking SSleader, DKiG wearer, who has the arm eagle wrongly attached (inside out) so the swaz?runs the wrong way. It is NO wrong developed negative becaus the arm eagle is on the right side (left uper arm) and all other details (badges, buutons and so) are absolutely correct. Another pic shows a RRPP man with the same "problem".
Obviously SSleaders and SSconnected branches did not have enough ideological education to know their national emblem in detail...

My personal conclusion is that such a "wrongly" attached deathhead is not of much concern.

And yes, the "Sauer 21.12.43" ring is another good example.

Regards,