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Ring found on the vast expanses of Russia.

Silver ring.

Seen this before in a discussion- maybe slightly different but not enough to convince me. I am not a fan. Each to their own opinions of course- but I do not like it. Lots of reasons but I can start with the stamp. It is horrible.

- With or without enamel this wouldn't be for me either..

Me too

Ric

Lol Ric perfetto

And the band....looks like its been sanded? Some definite artificial aging done on thia piece....

yes sanded,,probably to hide the shallow detail and/or faults...

As far as Skull over SS rune rings...

- There are 2. The 1st pattern 'Pirate' skull. Designed and made by firma Wilm.. And, the 2nd pattern, the 'Bonecrusher' skull. I have had the pleasure of owning the both of these rings. Miss them but family first! , anyway.. These are both very rare rings..

Both solid silver. Excellent finish outside and in. Thin tapered bands towards rear. Comfortable to wear. Deep field for enamel. Nice glassy black enamel used.. IF you have the opportunity to get one get it! IF I didn't have to pay for 2 weddings in one year one or both would still be mine! ;)

I have a second pattern and have been hunting for the first pattern for a long time. No luck yet! Anyone with a lead or one for sale please contact me

You're a lucky man.....Mike.

I love both them and hope one day?...to get my chance

Ric

Here original first type

This looks nothing at all like the first ring gaspare posted. First pattern what? I do not even see any runes. Is this a ring or a badge?

We can all agree on something ,,,, we can agree to disagree...

I've seen the above on eastern sites usually claiming they were ground dug.. I see nothing showing age that might want to look like dug. ..

The black was done incorrectly.. A copy or fantasy skull ring... ,G.

Here is a current eBay offering. Pure crap. Someone will buy it though, no doubt.

Thank you Gaspare for posting photos of two of my SS rings on here that come from your collection.
Actually on this photo you can see other two SS rings below that come from your collection as well.

Ado

. Weddings are expensive!.,,but something like those 4,,,you can't put a price on having them! [hope you got the boxes to!]

I'd rather have them then a few paperpusher HRs anyday,,,but that just me..

Black enamel SS rings are rare.. SAs too as they were out of favor pretty quick.. Other elite that can be rare/expensive , Paratrooper, Flyer, Unit rings.. Shame there aren't too many KM rings,,and when you do find them they're usually just an anchor..

Wonderful collection!

+1 most definitely! And I agree, the boxes are key- a must have, probably rarer than the rings!

Ahh yes Gaspare of course , they come with the boxes and the two COA provided by you which makes them even much more special!!! ;) As they came from you inside the boxes and with COAs as shown.

Great stuff!

Fantastic! What a great collection. Lucky man.

I welcome all participants of the forum. I am very surprised and disappointed that there are no real ring experts in this forum.
I sent the ring out for discussion. I didn't offer to sell it,didn't ask about originality. I know for sure that the ring is 100% original, I dug it up myself. But since forum members doubt this ring, please provide detailed flaws to explain what didn't like about this ring. I think that this forum brought together serious people, collectors, I want to hear specific claims, not empty words "I do not like this ring", could you explain what you said, dear forum participants . Due to the fact that the forum failed to load the pictures in high quality, photos via hosting. With respect.

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I had no doubt that this is the original :)

Don?t understand who are these people who are pushing these rings as originals now for years.
They were never original and they will never be original. These rings construction material and skull designs are just laughable thinking that an SS man in German would wear ring like this, these rings don?t look nothing like German made but East Europe or China made!!

There are only two examples with skull and runes that have been accepted for decades and they were posted by Gaspare and i believe he will tell you the same.

With respect- Ground dug is not a provenance. This is an opinion forum- as all forums really are if you think about it- and all opinions are welcome. I do not think there is any reason to insult the membership here as a bunch of guys without any expertise. These men here have spent countless hours and many years struggling to understand a rarer niche of the hobby. If respect is intended in the statement- then do not insult the members here if you are looking to show a period piece. My opinion is still that this is a fantasy piece. Why does this ring have a die struck appearance to the rear of the cartouche like so many westwall pieces, some ss, some army, etc- yet bears the same ring shank design as the solid backed jeweler handmade ss enamel piece bearing the first pattern skull and runes? Secondly why is there such a shoddy join seam and a commonly faked single digits 835? This ring appears to bear the characteristics of both a privately purchased piece along with a mass produced ring. Why? I have no horse in this race. If this was a period piece I would love to see more of it, but this is what we know- it is not a known pattern as of yet. I am willing to change my opinion with more proof than a ring sitting elegantly in a pile of dirt. But until then, this is my opinion.

Obviously it is Ados opinion as well- you may like him or dislike him I get that- but he has a wonderful ring collection one of the finest on the planet and I will be the first to defend it and I do also obviously agree with him about this ring. As far as motivation as ado mentions we have both been offered fake rings before. It is frustrating to us.

ostap...... Being ground dug is not a provenance,,even if you dug it... I've been to many digs in east Ukraine.. Seen my share of fakes come up from the ground..
Lets agree to one thing. 99% of the mass produced rings sold retail during the period were pressed. ..

Please explain how your ring has the indications of being pressed?

Mike like you said; Ground dug is not a provenance! but i would go one step further and say;That the ground dug is a first step to have suspicions!

There are few of us who are true to the authentic rings and then there a those who are trying to pass these frankenstein creations as authentic and we need to speak if we dont in few years they will start to pass them to new ring collectors as originals, and i would include into this new pattern of ground recovered rings showing up on sale. People need to understand that way they are hiding all the flaws and issues with the rings masking them as ground recovered.

Just stay away from so-called Ground Recovered Rings!!!

Ado is 100 percent on point with this. Please read the thread- this is a ring that is trying to by Ados first pattern skull runes. It is not. It is a fake. Thankfully I was able to find pictures of the exact same one for sale 2 years earlier. See the difference? It was planted in the ground for a couple years and brought up again. When is ring harvesting season again anyway? Ground dug first pattern

The photos are courtesy of Vince aka French Volunteer on WAF. Why is he not a moderator?? Imho he is excellent in many ways!!

do you think this ring was made? stamp? casting? engraving? maybe a 3D printer?

Yes Mike that is the ring i called on WAF estand where seller was trying to pass as ground recovered obviously lot of issues with that ring which i have pointed out in that WAF thread.

Ado

Good work ado- that was over $1000 usd on the ring!! You know I might have to use whatever modest moderator influence I have to suggest a jail a scumbag badge for you! Of course there was no actual jailing but the lot was in fact withdrawn. I think that is worth something in public- kudos!

Thanks Mike but that?s Ok no badge needed for me. My mission is just to make sure that all these rings made today don?t sell themselves as being made during or prior to Third Reich period!!

But Thanks anyways ;)
Ado

ostap, Welcome to the site..

, The ring has the indications of being cast. That would make it postwar... IF you think pressed/authentic we would all be happy to hear your reasons for it...

This is a forum. We might not always agree about things,,,but we talk about them...

Gaspare, point me to the photo for signs of low tide.

Hi ostap,
I do not think the phrase you are using makes sense in English. What does signs of low tide mean? To us it means exactly that- what you might see at the seashore, does it means signs of casting or casting flaws?

signs of casting

Dear forum members, I use Google translator for correspondence. Because of this there may be inaccuracies in the translation, please correct me, if I write something is wrong.

I used to have the same problem when I posted on Russian sites and German.. The translator is horrible.

the content stamp [835] is the same we see on most fakes.... Also the band on a ring such as this would have a high polish, this does not.

- also the design is way to shallow for a die to have been used,,,and the eye hole sure isn't done from a press...

The ring has been coated with a ageing solution. There are areas that are black that shouldn't be and bare metal where shouldn't be..There are more areas not marked when you look...

Also. The history of the ring.. The 2 shown that are now in Ado's collection have been around for many years.. We just couldn't get out hands on them!
The ring you show has no history. Found years after the break up of the USSR like most fakes and fantasies. No German vet bring backs none in Germany. These weird rings only seem to show up in former republic of the USSR. The rings were not made there during the war, nor sold there..

Dear Gaspard, show how the correct content of the stamp should look [835].
As for the fact that there is no history, let me remind you that in the USSR from June 1941 to December 1944 there were active hostilities. During this time, many German soldiers were killed and disappeared. That is why, on our land a lot of German things and the remains of soldiers.

hi members
i looked at all the above ss skull rings tyhat are shown here stamped 835 or not in my experenced opinion nothing but junk fake rings and all we are doing thanks to some of the members here is educating the fakers on how to make 5thier ss rings better and thier silver content marks better and correct then they can sell and burn the newbies that doesnt know any better please listen to a ww2 quoat loose lips sink ships thats what is happning here and this is my opinion thanks enjoy god bless andy militarynut

ostap..,, there and many topic here to look at. To see some good content stamps see a couple of the pinned topics at the top... To see fakes see some of the topics on the other pages where the rings are fake.... Yes many SS in the USSR.. But the history starts in Germany.. A ring like this was made pre war or maybe right at wartime 39 [but doubtful] . There are laws against SS rings made after 33 when AH took power. Anyway,, the ring would have to be made in Germany yes? and bought by a SS man yes? There is no history of it. Only on Eastern digger sites... The other 2 rings have been known for many years,,many.

IF your happy with it than fine. For the serious students of ring collecting and manufacture they see it for what it is,,a fantasy piece..Not made correctly,,with a ageing solution applied to it, known/commonly used fake content stamp..

SO it has been shown our reasons why it is not good.. Please, now your turn.. Please show us the beautiful finish to the band, the deep recesses from the die. Why the band has been sanded before even in ground, etc etc. Why is it real?

...what do you say to this ring?

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That is the same ring they tried to pass on WAF are you trying to do the same in here as well!!??
I suggest you guys keep posting rings like this on your Facebook rings forums you create and where you pick and choose who will be your members, members who will agree with you that rings like this one are original.

it's not my ring,the pictures are from the Internet.

Again, place the photo of the ring in high resolution. Unfortunately,this forum does not allow to upload large files.
I want you to make sure the ring is original.

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The design is not deep enough to have come from a die.. Also, left eye shows sign of casting. Inner band not finished off, also it even looks like the content is not a stamp but cast in!..

Ostap,, a old saying for this hobby is: The devil is in the details.... These good photos show [ at least for me ] that it is cast = postwar..

Everyone is free to express their own opinion here.. Lets see if anyone would like to comment about the ring. Thanks for the photos...,G.

Left side of nose- from forehead through teeth and all the way to the bottoms of the skull is a huge casting flaw. True that bad strikes missed strikes over strikes under strikes double strikes all happen in die stamping just look at all the coins. But this is a casting flaunt- no question. Unfortunate for us then it circles back to die struck vs cast pieces as existing along side with one another during the period. I honestly thing it depends on the ring- if it exhibits the same exact traits as a well known struck pattern but has casting flaws- it is a copy.

Mikhail Nikolayevich was right ...

Sorry I do not understand the reference?

2nd ring is a real horror show.. Guys used to think that pattern so rare you wouldn't see reproductions. Well there you go,,,,every pattern no matter how rare has been copied.. I let my shot SS ring out of my hands for a nite and a couple months later I saw copies!!!!

So with that 2nd ring [last one shown] the faults are really easy to see. Bad photos, or 'its dug' artificial wear won't hide them.....

I have only seen 3 examples of this pirate type ring since i have been collecting;
1. From Gaspare collection and now in my personal collection
2. Somewhere in north america which has the year 1935 engraved inside the ring ( i have the photos of that ring but will not post photos as it is not fair to current owner of that ring as that ring does not belong to me!!)
3. Couple of years ago see example of the same ring in a Russian collection (have photo someplace will have to look for it) but i believe that ring is the same ring that was posted on WAF estand recently and now posted on here as well!!

Ado,, the rings shown on this page 6 and on page 5 are both postwar.. As you now have both patterns you must be able to see they are worlds apart.. The 1st pattern is just so rare. Many will never see it but on the forums.
The 2nd pattern still pretty rare and has a simple band. But the workmanship the detail and enamel is just super!

Maybe write the owner and ask permission... OR,,if the ring image/photo was at one time on the internet you are allowed to post it.. You just can't make any money off the image!

Yes Gaspare i was aware of that, i was the first one who made call on that 1st pattern once it was posted on WAF estand as not being good ring. I have first time seen this ring in a Russian collection among many other rings maybe 4-5 years ago so its been around for a while but still many issues with that ring which can been even more clearly seen on the new photos posted on here by member Ostap.


If the owner of the ring with 1935 engraving is member on here and reads this send me a P. message.