Translate German to English - Click here to open Altavista's Babel Fish Translator Click here to learn about all those symbols by people's names.

leftlogo.jpg (20709 bytes)

Upgrade to Premium Membership

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
#341467 01/27/2019 05:14 PM
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 2,646
Likes: 1
OP Online Content
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 2,646
Likes: 1
here is another dagger I need help with.

never seen one with this maker

mini-a.jpg (48.87 KB, 214 downloads)
mini-aa.jpg (47.1 KB, 212 downloads)
aaa.jpg (67.45 KB, 212 downloads)
aaaa.jpg (49.21 KB, 212 downloads)
aaaaa.jpg (44.1 KB, 211 downloads)
aaaaaa.jpg (38.66 KB, 212 downloads)
aaaaaaa.jpg (25.63 KB, 212 downloads)
aaaaaaaa.jpg (32.8 KB, 212 downloads)
aaaaaaaaa.jpg (32.54 KB, 213 downloads)
aaaaaaaaaa.jpg (34.15 KB, 212 downloads)
stingray #341473 01/27/2019 07:00 PM
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 4,938
Likes: 8
Online Content
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 4,938
Likes: 8
Ivan,

An early Bahnschutz dagger by the looks of it. The question really is whether the Pl?macher blade is original to the dagger and that's something I can't answer.

I have seen other early Bahnschutz daggers by makers other than Eick and H?rster, PD L?neschloss from memory, so an unusual maker doesn't necessarily kill it in my eyes. But Pl?macher blades have often been concerns, especially on etched examples. Very curious what some of the other members think about this one.


GDC Gold Badge #290
GDC Silver Badge #310
stingray #341474 01/27/2019 07:40 PM
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 4,938
Likes: 8
Online Content
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 4,938
Likes: 8
One other observation, the maker mark appears etched. I have owned a couple of Pl?macher Army daggers and those marks were stamped so I'm not sure if the mark is only supposed to be stamped or not.


GDC Gold Badge #290
GDC Silver Badge #310
stingray #341476 01/27/2019 09:05 PM
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 3,882
Offline
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 3,882
Can we see a photo of the scabbard mouth?

Jim W #341478 01/27/2019 11:59 PM
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 2,646
Likes: 1
OP Online Content
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 2,646
Likes: 1
Thank you guys
Here are more pic.

v.jpg (73.22 KB, 176 downloads)
vv.jpg (49.56 KB, 177 downloads)
vvv.jpg (41.84 KB, 176 downloads)
vvvv.jpg (44.5 KB, 175 downloads)
vvvvv.jpg (25.86 KB, 175 downloads)
vvvvvv.jpg (35.21 KB, 174 downloads)
vvvvvvv.jpg (29.88 KB, 174 downloads)
vvvvvvvv.jpg (26.12 KB, 174 downloads)
stingray #341479 01/28/2019 12:49 AM
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 2,646
Likes: 1
OP Online Content
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 2,646
Likes: 1
its numbered

vvv.jpg (41.84 KB, 169 downloads)
vvvvvvvvvv.jpg (24.57 KB, 169 downloads)
vvvvvvvvvvv.jpg (41.04 KB, 169 downloads)
vvvvvvvvv.jpg (32.07 KB, 169 downloads)
vvvvvvvvvvvv.jpg (51.41 KB, 168 downloads)
vvvvvvvvvvvvv.jpg (34.72 KB, 166 downloads)
stingray #341520 02/01/2019 12:29 PM
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 2,646
Likes: 1
OP Online Content
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 2,646
Likes: 1
No more opinions guys?

stingray #341522 02/01/2019 01:37 PM
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 4,831
Likes: 11
Online Content
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 4,831
Likes: 11
Hello stingray, can you please tell us what the material of the grip fittings is? In the photographs it looks like it would be brass, silvered? Is the scabbard from steel?

I have looked at the photographs from your first posting. It is one of those dagger you would need to hold in hands to make an easier judgement. But perhaps the material of the grip fittings solves the riddle.

In my opinion and due to my experience, the PLUEMACHER mark on those army kind blades was always etched (never have seen such kind of blade with a stamped P. mm) and for me the mm looks totally correct. Unfortunately I could not find it in ma files but I think to remember that I alreada have seen a 2nd RRPP dagger with the PLUEMACHER mark.

Regards,


wotan, gd.c-b#105

"Never look for sqare eggs" as a late owner of an original FHH-dagger used to say.
stingray #341530 02/02/2019 12:52 AM
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 4,938
Likes: 8
Online Content
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 4,938
Likes: 8
I have to correct one of the things I said earlier since the comment was from memory. My Pl?macher marks were etched and not stamped. The details were fine and in memory I believed them to be stamped but they are etched, similar to this mark. And I agree with you Wotan, the mark looks period.

I do like this dagger but that said, I believe it to be a difficult thing to own or sell. It could me as right as rain and there will always be someone saying it's not "textbook" or not period because they'd never seen one previously. The thing itself has a nice fit to it and seems that t has been together for a very long time. Can't say if that means anything except that it likely isn't a recent item. Would love to hear others' thoughts on this interesting piece.


GDC Gold Badge #290
GDC Silver Badge #310

Link Copied to Clipboard
Popular Topics(Views)
2,206,026 SS Bayonets
1,702,367 Teno Insignia Set
1,071,251 westwall rings
Latest New Threads
Week Off
by Gaspare - 09/17/2021 03:58 AM
FW Holler Damascus naval Kreigsmarine dagger value
by sellick8302@rogers.com - 09/15/2021 01:50 PM
Luftwaffe Sword Horster with Damascus Blade
by Vik - 09/14/2021 11:20 AM
Unusual skull ring
by SpitfireVb - 09/14/2021 10:38 AM
Violation from: SS-Totenkopf honor ring 1934
by Gaspare - 09/14/2021 12:41 AM
Latest New Posts
Week Off
by SpitfireVb - 09/17/2021 06:41 AM
FW Holler Damascus naval Kreigsmarine dagger value
by sellick8302@rogers.com - 09/17/2021 12:06 AM
Something about SA daggers that grabs you!
by Vern - 09/16/2021 11:43 PM
Frau badges
by Skynyrd - 09/16/2021 08:33 PM
Its almost RAD time! Get ready!!!
by wotan - 09/16/2021 05:56 PM
Forum Statistics
Forums42
Topics30,875
Posts320,066
Members7,004
Most Online5,900
Dec 19th, 2019
Who's Online Now
9 members (Billy G., Vern, hdmarley, Nietzsche, Finngaill, Ilya, stingray, Documentalist, Stud), 40 guests, and 62 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5