Translate German to English - Click here to open Altavista's Babel Fish Translator Click here to learn about all those symbols by people's names.

leftlogo.jpg (20709 bytes)

Upgrade to Premium Membership

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 631
Len S Offline OP
OP Offline
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 631
A friend acquired this recently and I'm kind of stumped as to whether it's a correct Luft Forestry Dagger or something else. I've never seen one made by anyone but Waffenlosche .Is Klass a known maker of these? I've attached some pics including one showing the Klass piece next to a Waffenlosche. Any feed back would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Len

Klass Luft Forestry 1.jpg (29.27 KB, 278 downloads)
Klass Luft Forestry 2.jpg (34.99 KB, 282 downloads)
Klass Luft Forestry 4.jpg (33.89 KB, 282 downloads)
Klass Luft Forestry 6.jpg (30.66 KB, 279 downloads)
Klass Luft Forestry 7.jpg (51.64 KB, 266 downloads)

"If it ain't baroque don't fix it." Johann Sebastian Bach
Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 6,781
Likes: 38
Online Content
Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 6,781
Likes: 38
Several threads on this knife in the Bayonet forum. Also shown in Tom Johnson's book volume VII page 337. Typically they are marked "Waffen losche" over "Berlin" but Waffen losche was a distributor, not a maker.


[Linked Image from germandaggers.com]
Visit us at www.GermanDaggers.com
Contact me at Vern@GermanDaggers.com
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 5,002
Likes: 29
Offline
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 5,002
Likes: 29
Hello Len S, up to now I have never seen nor heard about a KLAAS (not Klass!) forestry knife. The well known LOESCHE ones do have the "carbine" type blade this KLAAS one has the other type bayonet blade. Also remarkable are the embellishments on the crossguard (LOESCHE does not have such). Although I personally tend to think that this is a (most probably period!) private made knife, resembling the LOESCHE one on purpose, it might be also possible that KLAAS did at least a small number of these forestry knives.
I am eager to hear what Baz69 will say about this knife.
Regards,


wotan, gd.c-b#105

"Never look for sqare eggs" as a late owner of an original FHH-dagger used to say.
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 4,778
Likes: 29
Online Content
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 4,778
Likes: 29
Hi Len
I?m at the SOS at the moment, when I return home I?ll check my references and see if I can find out anything about this, on first impressions I believe the knife to be period and almost certainly related to the Waffen Loesche knives.
Gary

Joined: May 2001
Posts: 4,778
Likes: 29
Online Content
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 4,778
Likes: 29
Len
Well, Its an interesting knife for sure, after looking through my Klaas catalogue I believe the piece to be original to the period, the blade style and shape is typical for Klaas, they used it on there private purchase bayonets, the fact that the tang is viable leads me to believe that it was specially ordered from Klaas that way, the embellishment on the crosspiece i believe was not done at the factory but by the original owner.
It is of course similar to the Chromolit-Arthur Wingen (CHAW) Waffen Loesche knives, I'm not convinced that it was made as a rival otherwise I think we would see many more, it was more than likely ordered by an individual to his specification and for an unknown use.
Whatever it looks good next to the Waffen Loesche knife and a great addition to your collection.

Cheers
Gary

Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 4,274
Offline
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 4,274
Len, Not my specialty, for sure it's a very interesting personalized variation and Thanks for Sharing. Yours looking like it most likely is in an S. 84/98 service bayonet frog is it marked on the back? Fairly recently elsewhere, there was a lengthy and IMO informative discussion regarding the Ch.A.W. version. Still being investigated, some of the things that were looked at appear to call into question the ID as a Luftwaffe Forestry Dagger. No period evidence found pointing in that direction. None. Of course it's always possible that somebody has some actual verifiable period evidence that could be brought forward - but that does not so far seem to be the case. Best Regards, Fred

Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 631
Len S Offline OP
OP Offline
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 631
Thanks for all the comments on this unusual piece fellas. I appreciate your efforts. Fred the frog is marked "Sattlerei Detting" without a date of manufacture.jj

Len


"If it ain't baroque don't fix it." Johann Sebastian Bach
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 4,274
Offline
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 4,274
Len, Thanks for the update. I was wondering if perhaps it had the L.B.A. marking as seen on most early period Luftwaffe frogs. Best Regards, Fred


Link Copied to Clipboard
Popular Topics(Views)
2,261,539 SS Bayonets
1,760,306 Teno Insignia Set
1,128,777 westwall rings
Latest New Threads
Luftwaffe Swords
by Tanker - 03/27/2024 07:29 PM
Paul Weyersberg Heer
by Tanker - 03/27/2024 07:13 PM
HJ Fahrtenmesser,
by OWN - 03/27/2024 07:05 PM
Wir fahren gegen Engelland - Battle of Britain
by Stephen - 03/27/2024 10:06 AM
Hiddensee brooch
by benten - 03/24/2024 04:13 PM
Latest New Posts
F Dula with a twist
by C. Wetzel-20609 - 03/28/2024 09:29 PM
Personalized reproduction honor ring source?
by Simone - 03/28/2024 08:57 PM
HJ Fahrtenmesser,
by OWN - 03/28/2024 06:18 PM
Wir fahren gegen Engelland - Battle of Britain
by Gaspare - 03/28/2024 12:34 AM
Paul Weyersberg Heer
by Tanker - 03/27/2024 11:30 PM
Forum Statistics
Forums42
Topics31,652
Posts328,708
Members7,501
Most Online5,900
Dec 19th, 2019
Who's Online Now
13 members (seany, Tanker, The_Collector, Herman V. (aka Herr Mann), Documentalist, OWN, C. Wetzel-20609, benten, Simone, Mikee, Jonesy, Dave, Vern), 347 guests, and 104 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5