#33648
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Hi guys. It's been a long time since my last posting, so I thought i might show you my latest catch. Bought this Luftwaffe Flieger Visor Cap today. Unfortunatly I will have to wait another week or so before I recieve it, or can provide better pics.....hope you like it. 
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#33649
08/13/2009 08:10 PM
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#33650
08/13/2009 08:10 PM
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#33651
08/13/2009 08:10 PM
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#33652
08/13/2009 08:11 PM
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#33653
08/14/2009 10:44 AM
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No comments? 
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#33654
08/14/2009 10:25 PM
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Amazing......still no comments!
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#33655
08/14/2009 11:06 PM
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Sorry I did not respond quickly enough to apease you. Some of us work to afford our goodies. Nice cap. Is the color gone from the roundel or is it just the picture, the roundel looks all black. Harry
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#33656
08/15/2009 12:18 AM
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What makes this a "pilot cap ?
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#33657
08/15/2009 11:14 AM
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this piping is for "flight" personnel,,,aviators or paratroopers
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#33658
08/15/2009 11:44 AM
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quote: Originally posted by ssfeldgendarme:
Is the color gone from the roundel or is it just the picture, the roundel looks all black.
Harry
I believe the color is gone, but I cant tell for sure untill I've recieved it.....
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#33659
08/15/2009 12:59 PM
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So it isn't necessarily a "Pilots" cap. A member of a flight crew would wear yellow also ?
What color did ground crew wear ? I remember the guards in the "Great Escape" wore both yellow and red piping.
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#33660
08/17/2009 05:26 PM
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Congrats my friend Looks nice,waiting for the new pics 
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#33661
08/17/2009 05:46 PM
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Easy my friend, looks like the cap is a fake! 
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#33662
08/17/2009 05:53 PM
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The chin strap is not the proper one for a Luft NCO visor. The one on this cap is the type found on political/cival type visors.
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#33663
08/17/2009 08:27 PM
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**** 
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08/17/2009 08:53 PM
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New information brings new hope.
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08/17/2009 08:53 PM
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08/17/2009 08:54 PM
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08/17/2009 08:54 PM
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08/17/2009 08:54 PM
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#33669
08/17/2009 08:55 PM
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08/17/2009 08:55 PM
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08/17/2009 08:56 PM
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08/17/2009 08:56 PM
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08/17/2009 08:59 PM
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08/17/2009 08:59 PM
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08/17/2009 09:00 PM
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08/17/2009 09:00 PM
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#33677
08/17/2009 09:01 PM
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Some info: The stamp mentions Fl.H.K. Wunstorf which is the Fliegerhorstkommadantur or Air Field Station Command at Wunstorf. http://www.relikte.com/wunstorf/index.htmSo the cap belonged to a member of the ground staff of the air field....he could well have become a pilot later in the war but at the time of issue not. Comments will be highly appreciated!
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#33678
08/18/2009 02:29 AM
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Hi this is a very strange post thus far.. .in reference to the viusor pictured...although the chinstrap is not the type typically found on the vast majority of Luftwaffe NCO visors it is a type that was used by some makers and is encountered rarely on some visors...I see no red flags that would indicate that this is not a period piece...appears to be by a rather obscure manufacturer as well...nice cap...also all aircrew wore this piped visor...not just pilots .cheers, Ryan
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#33679
08/18/2009 03:13 AM
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Private purchase, or small 'official' contract for the base personnel, utilizing a local maker perhaps?
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#33680
08/18/2009 07:48 AM
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Thats what I'm thinking too! Thanks a lot for comments guys, this is now on its way to me.
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#33681
08/18/2009 06:43 PM
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Hat is good--appears to be a cottage maker. Heer straps on LW and LW on Heer are common.
Note the rarely seen method of affixing the lining directly to the pasteboard. I like it.
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#33682
08/19/2009 05:54 PM
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In regards to Crowback's question, Luftwaffe ground personnel often did double, triple and quadruple duties, other than their assigned 'official' duties.You might see black piped engineering troops guarding bases, mixed in with the red waffenfarbe of the Flak artillery branch.
Later on in the war, as the Luftwaffe air arm diminished, surplus to needs ground and flight crews were pressed into the infantry role, and of course many were free'd up to administer and guard the POW camps...
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#33683
08/21/2009 02:39 AM
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This would also be worn by FJ members ! Bob
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#33684
08/22/2009 08:48 AM
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Very cool hat my friend.  Its may be a not common maker ? Congrats a lot. LH
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#33685
08/23/2009 02:43 PM
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Thanks a lot LH, and thanks to all for helpfull comments.
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#33686
08/23/2009 09:58 PM
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If I'm not mistaken pilots could be noncoms (especially in the Stuka?) and not just commissioned officers. Similar in RAF.
Interesting cap and informative discussion and photos!
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#33687
08/24/2009 06:04 AM
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Congrat`s my friend Glad it is original,and it looks like it is of a not common maker
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#33688
08/24/2009 11:15 AM
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Thanks Not being a common maker just makes it even more interesting. I also have a Luftwaffe great-coat on it's way in, to go with the cap.
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#33689
08/24/2009 01:23 PM
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Here is one I have..... Mark
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08/24/2009 01:24 PM
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08/24/2009 01:25 PM
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#33692
08/24/2009 02:28 PM
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Nice one. I see your chinstrap is of a slightly different kind than mine.
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08/25/2009 05:09 PM
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Here is my summer visor.
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08/25/2009 05:11 PM
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#33695
08/25/2009 05:36 PM
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If you ever get tired of them just send them to me. 
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08/25/2009 10:41 PM
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Trond, in my experiences, some of the best stuff I have encountered and purchased came from Norway. You guys have the good stuff! Mark
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#33697
08/26/2009 11:28 AM
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quote: Originally posted by ssfeldgendarme:
Is the color gone from the roundel or is it just the picture, the roundel looks all black.
Harry
Finally the cap arrived. Looks like someone has colored the roundel black, for unknown reason and time. You can see the red color on the edge and also thru the black.
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09/01/2009 09:19 AM
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Nice caps guys !
Sebastien.
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agree- nice one. you also see army c'straps on waffen-SS caps - and I once owned a w-ss em cap with SS strap but HEER insignia - and no sign it ever had anything but the heer badges! this cap is well within known variations. quote: Originally posted by stonemint:
Hat is good--appears to be a cottage maker. Heer straps on LW and LW on Heer are common.
Note the rarely seen method of affixing the lining directly to the pasteboard. I like it.
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11/10/2009 07:48 PM
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Thanks for nice and helpfull comments.
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#33702
11/18/2009 08:45 PM
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Nice shaped visor!
Mine is very similar, but correct strap and Hamburg maker.
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11/18/2009 08:46 PM
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11/18/2009 09:55 PM
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Nice one. IMO these NCO caps are far better looking than officer caps.
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