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Hello all, I'd like to solicit your opinions please on this short dress bayonet with frog I've recently added... other than some age on the pommel and quillon, maybe a bit of wear and spidering on the ricasso near the maker mark- (a lion)- I believe this to be made by carl l�tters & cie (l�wenwerk). I know this is a rare maker of SA daggers, is it also rarer for dress bayonets? Thank you, Byz
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Mike:
That does look like the Lutters lion to me as well. I can't say that I have seen a bayonet with this mark on it before.
John
Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
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That's the reclining lion of Carl L�tters.
In terms of fire bayonets, this mark is the more common of the two marks L�tters used. The scarcer mark uses the lion with the company name in an arc over the lion & Solingen underneath.
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Thank you gentlemen, very much... Is the reclining lion still a rare/scarce maker for these ks98 (short) dress bayonets? Has anyone seen another of these as a short dress bayonet? Thank you, again for any opinions
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Mike,
You're welcome, always happy to help. L�tters isn't a rare mark, IMHO, probably scarce. I've seen both Long & skort model KS98s with this mark although I tended to pay more attention strictly to fire bayonets.
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Hi, I have too rhis K98 bayonet. They are made after 1945 or before? Which use for? Thanks ciao
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Hi massimo I'm not even close to a dagger guy by a long shot- but what you have is also a short as opposed to "long" dress/parade/"walking out" bayonet. They were plated, as ours both are- and really more for the pomp and circumstance than the battlefield ("combat" bayonets are quite different) I also have an eickhorn ks98 like yours, these were made pre-1945. Check out this forum's maker mark guide on the sidebar- and you can date your particular eickhorn that way. I think that's similar to the mark from 36-41, so yes- pre-45. However I'm hoping to see some more lutters marks (the lion) as I've not seen any on these bayonets... just a rookie guess, but I think carl eickhorn is probably one of if not the most common and prolific maker of edged weapons during the entire third Reich period. Still, condition counts- and imho yours looks pretty nice! Congrats! Mike
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Hi Mike thanks for the info so i take care of my parade bayonet ciao
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As Billy stated earlier the bottom Lutters TM is the one that is hard to find. I have the top two with short blades
TKissinger
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Mike I'll add this for reference. Here is a resting lion with the trademark and name on a long blade with magnetic hilt and thin cross guard. The rivits are offset style like you see with E-Pack spanner bolts.
Steve,
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