#32885
08/10/2009 07:28 AM
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Finally I have both this beautiful daggers. Thanx to Glenn and Paul (GD.com members for selling'em to me). IMO this are the nicest daggers of all. Heavy, perfectly done pre war when all has to be the best... Anyway I hope You will enjoy it looking at (as I do ).
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#32886
08/10/2009 07:29 AM
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#32887
08/10/2009 07:29 AM
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#32888
08/10/2009 07:30 AM
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#32889
08/10/2009 07:30 AM
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#32890
08/10/2009 09:50 AM
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Yes , they are nice daggers! I also like both models very much. I`m searching for an very good RLB-officer a long time but can`t find the right one for me...Maybe in future
regards Medes
as Tom Johnson use to say: "...the story is really theirs to tell" now we will do...
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#32891
08/10/2009 03:21 PM
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Congratulations, Gottlieb. They look very nice. Two such nice and rare conditioned daggers are quite the find.
John
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#32892
08/10/2009 03:32 PM
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Two of the under priced daggers.The art deco daggers IMO are the best next to hunting daggers
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#32893
08/10/2009 06:37 PM
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Im with you Ed-a lovely pair indeed..........
Paul
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#32894
08/10/2009 06:43 PM
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#32895
08/10/2009 07:22 PM
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Thats the dagger from your User-thumbnail. Seems to be a mint one with damascus honor blade. Please show also the other blade side.
Thanks Medes
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#32896
08/10/2009 07:38 PM
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With pleasure Medes, youll find better pics in Tom Johnsons latest reference volume 3 if your interested
Paul
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#32897
08/10/2009 07:46 PM
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and my first model-Alcoso
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#32898
08/10/2009 08:43 PM
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wow ... man looks like I should hide my toys ....
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#32899
08/11/2009 12:06 AM
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Great pieces all! I recently got a Postal & an early 2nd model Spitzer RLB EM & was very impressed with the overall quality of the construction & parts. Although I never had an appreciation for these scarce daggers, that changed & I'm very happy.
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#32900
08/11/2009 12:54 AM
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Beautiful daggers . . . I too have always been drawn to the art deco design reflected in these daggers. Also a very interesting presentation dagger Paul. Is there a story behind it you would share? ~ Ian
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#32901
08/11/2009 04:37 PM
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@paul
wow I never had seen such an perfect 1st model RLB leader! congratulations! Also I only know one more damascus RLB Leader which I had in hands this year at an german show. It`s the one showing in Toms Reference I.
regards Medes
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#32902
08/11/2009 04:52 PM
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@Gottlieb
sure that the grip and scabbard leather at your RLB is the same?
Medes
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#32903
08/11/2009 06:51 PM
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May as well complete the set-1st EM Weyersberg
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#32904
08/11/2009 06:53 PM
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2nd model EM-Spitzer-IMO the best quality manufacturer of these pieces
Paul
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#32905
08/11/2009 06:58 PM
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And for completeness -my Postschutz
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#32906
08/11/2009 07:05 PM
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They are all real beauties! Thank you very much for showing them. It´s hard to find such conditions. I`m not able to get an really nice RLB.officer 2nd. since 2 years.
regards Medes
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#32907
08/11/2009 08:59 PM
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Medes They are out there, patience will pay off in the end
Paul
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#32908
08/11/2009 09:36 PM
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quote: Originally posted by medes: @Gottlieb
sure that the grip and scabbard leather at your RLB is the same?
Medes
Yes it is the same but the dagger shows wear especially handle ....
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#32909
08/11/2009 09:56 PM
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quote: Seems to be a mint one with damascus honor blade.
The dagger blade is a etched pattern to look like damascus.. But I'm sure you knew that. Regards: James
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#32910
08/12/2009 09:05 AM
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Thanks James, yes I am aware its not a true Damascus. Tom Johnson, who has had the piece in hand and asked to feature it in his book, believes it is very rare ,if not unique, in that it has a dedication on both the reverse AND the obverse of the blade. Im still awaiting my first true Damast piece-oh well, I'm not TO unhappy with this one until then!!
Paul
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#32911
08/12/2009 09:40 AM
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@Damast. yes you are right it is an etched blade. It`s important to explain that difference for other collectors. The other damast-blade on 2nd RLB Leader I know is also an etched one. And indeed, as Paul says, it shows only the dedication at one side. The other side shows only the Witte trademark.. Curios, for me as native german I can`t read both Names, not the one from Weitze neither the Name on Paul`s blade.
regards Medes
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#32912
08/12/2009 05:26 PM
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Beautiful and rare daggers posted here, a lot can be learnt from just this one thread if you care to take the time and study these daggers. Many thanks everyone for posting.
Gary
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#32913
08/12/2009 06:03 PM
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a picture of my Dagger
P1.jpg (98.72 KB, 132 downloads)
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#32914
08/12/2009 06:10 PM
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You guys have very nice pieces in Your collections. Really nice to look at. CONGRATULATIONS !!!!!!!!!!!
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#32915
08/12/2009 08:38 PM
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I have three RLB leaders, an Alcoso 1, an Alcoso 1 upgraded to a 2, and an unmarked 2.
Here is the Leader 1 obverse:
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#32916
08/12/2009 08:39 PM
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Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
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#32917
08/12/2009 08:39 PM
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Lots of lacquer left on this baby:
Reverse:
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#32918
08/12/2009 08:40 PM
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Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
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#32919
08/12/2009 08:40 PM
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Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
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#32920
08/12/2009 08:40 PM
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Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
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#32921
08/12/2009 08:41 PM
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#32922
08/12/2009 08:44 PM
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This RLB Leader 2 is a 1 upgraded to a 2.
Obverse:
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#32923
08/12/2009 08:45 PM
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Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
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#32924
08/12/2009 08:45 PM
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Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
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#32925
08/12/2009 08:46 PM
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Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
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#32926
08/12/2009 08:46 PM
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Reverse of the cross guard:
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#32927
08/12/2009 08:46 PM
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Lots of patina on this one.
The pommel
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#32928
08/12/2009 08:47 PM
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08/12/2009 08:49 PM
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Reverse blade:
Sorry about the last couple of shots... kinda blurry. I gotta cut back on the Scotch.
The 2 has lots of black patina, the 1 has lots of lacquer, both daggers look very much the same, except, of course for the upgrades, the insignia and the centre ramp.
John
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#32930
08/12/2009 08:51 PM
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Super pieces John, I don't think you can beat the quality of those Alcoso 1st models. I completely agree with the others regarding the Spitzer 2nd models, just super in all aspects.
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#32931
08/12/2009 08:55 PM
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Here are my two Leader 2's, the one on the right is the ACS upgrade and it is slightly longer than the unmarked one on the right.
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#32932
08/12/2009 08:56 PM
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It is hard t tell in the pictures, but there are differences between the two, size being the most obvious.
Reverse:
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#32933
08/12/2009 08:56 PM
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The obverse of the two alone:
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#32934
08/12/2009 08:57 PM
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#32935
08/12/2009 08:58 PM
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08/12/2009 08:59 PM
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#32938
08/13/2009 08:28 AM
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Hi John-did the 1 come from Brian M?
Paul
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#32939
08/13/2009 10:02 AM
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It`s clearly to see in this thread how scarce the postal-leader daggers are. We had seen some very nice RLB`s but only two postals leaders. In this aspect, the postals are priced to cheap at all. (But maybe the RLB`s are a little nicer)
regards Medes
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#32940
08/13/2009 10:17 AM
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@JohnZ,
the Leather-graining at your first model seems to be untuoched. Also the leather-seam on the scabbard is some different to most I have seen before.
Did you observe such a seam on more RLB-Leaders?
regards Medes
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#32941
08/13/2009 01:08 PM
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Paul:
Yes, it came from Brian a couple of years ago. It was the best first that I had ever seen.
Medes:
The 1st does have a pronounced seam... it is pronounced on the grip as well. And, it is slightly off the edge ramp of the scabbard. The upgraded ACS 2 has a very slight seam right on the ramp or edge of the scabbard. The unmarked 2 looks like it doesn't have a seam at all! I gotta check it under a magnifier.
When I have time, I will post pictures of my Postal, a very nice one that I picked up a couple of years ago as well.
John
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#32942
08/15/2009 03:38 PM
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John I thought long and hard over that one myself, but at the time couldnt justify the big bucks-wish I had now-Superb piece! Paul
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