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This is unlike other Danish Naval I have seen. All others have tombac or brass scabbards. But this looks totally correct. It also has a black grip as opposed to white and some red.

Other Danish daggers are shown for c comparison.

Any ideas.

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This actually resembles a Norwegian Naval dagger with the exception that there is the Danish shield under the crown.

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It would appear that Norway was part of Denmark until 1905. The Norwegians had their midshipman daggers since 1976, so this possibly could be an early Norwegian Dagger.

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Hi Jim,
Nice collection of Danish daggers! I couldnít find any information about this dagger and didnít bid on it because of that. Glad that it found a good home smile

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Thanks Alex. The seller failed to mention that it was marked Magazine Du Nord. The official distributor.

The fact that it is identical to the Norwegian dagger with the exception of the three lions is very interesting. I am waiting to hear back from Glemser.

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Hi,
It is NOT very similar to the Norwegian m1897 cadet dagger really.
Attached are pics of my norwegian dagger, the hanger has been modified to be hung from a button, but the rest is basically how they were made originally.

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Originally Posted by Jim W
It would appear that Norway was part of Denmark until 1905. The Norwegians had their midshipman daggers since 1976, so this possibly could be an early Norwegian Dagger.


Well, no. eek
Denmark lost us in 1814 after Napoleon lost his war, and we came in a union with sweden until 1905.


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Hi Trigger,

My apologies if I misunderstood the politics of Norway and Denmark. I had the understanding that when you selected a new ruler in 1905 that a delegation of your "Storting" went to Denmark for the Kings blessing. I also thought there were some territories that were still connected. But I must have misread.

As to the similarities between the daggers, I was referring to the crown above the anchor on the scabbard as well as the leather as being similar to the Norwegian.. That and the black grip.

Would you have any positive thoughts on this dagger?

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No offense taken, whatsoever laugh

I guess the parliament was so fed up after almost 100 years of swedish union that they had to find a danish prince to take on the job as King of Norway crazy

Norwegian edged weapons from the 19th & 20th century are a mess unfortunately.
Union with Denmark until 1814 saw a lot of danish patterns being used in Norway, and the union with Sweden from 1814 until 1905 saw a lot of swedish patterns being introduced in parallell with the continued usage of the danish weapons.


But back to these Cadet Daggers. I prefer to call them swedish/norwegian as they were introduced while we were under swedish rule, and sweden also introduced the same pattern/model.

The only certain way to distinguish a danish from a swedish/norwegian cadet dagger is by looking at the blade.
All danish daggers have a double edged blade.
All swedish/norwegian daggers have a single edged blade.

There are many variations on embellishments/engravings/castings (based on manufacturer, timeperiod) that make it hard to say just based on these features from which of our nations the dagger is from.

To be honest I have not before seen a danish naval dagger with a fouled anchor. Maybe a private purchase item?


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Well, I just learned that the danes copied our daggers in 1922 smile

The original posted dagger is a pattern 1922 for danish naval offisers on deck (whatever that means).
The grip could be made from various materials.

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Thank you Trigger. You just gave me more info than all my research.
I had an excellent example of your Norwegian dagger and it is still pictured on World Daggers.

I will check my other daggers but I believe a couple of the lower ranking daggers have a single edge. Not the naval, but I will check later.

Again, thank you.

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There are 2 pattern danish daggers I am aware of that has a single edged blade, but about 1/4 from the tip and back is double edged.

- The 1850 Officers of the Army Navy and junior staff officers (with the brass/gilded grip).
- The 1870 NCO dagger for the Veterinary and Medical corps, and later also for the NCO's Technical corps (black square-ish grip)

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I agree. Those are the two I had in mind. Your Model 1850 is only the second one I have seen with a complete scabbard. I have the other one. But, both have the single edge. I have 5 naval and about 6 armies and they all have the double edged blades.

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Just for the record - These danish daggers are not mine. I borrowed the pics somewhere on the internet a long time ago.


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