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Hi guys , A collector friend purchased this Bakelite ring , he is not a ring collector so I offered a trade for some militiaria he liked so the Ring might be with me next week , I am hoping anyway , A few members might of already seen it , Bakelite facist ring with aluminum swastika , Very interested to know some opinions from more experienced ring collectors , upload pics
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How is the swas affixed ?
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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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I wish I knew Odal ! , if the trade goes ahead might get it X-rayed , a vet friend might do it
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Yes we've seen it on emedals- I wondered myself how it was affixed.... but appears similar to other fascist rings I've seen with a separate cartouche (in this case the swas/fasces) ... so that's a plus, and if it is Bakelite that's good too, IMHO. The only other question that comes up for me when it comes to these rings is when it was constructed. If I had to guess I'd say it's probably period or close to it- the only concern I really see with Italian WW2 items is desirability and value. On the plus side - Its got the one thing that makes it collectible right on the front and we all know it's not the bunch of bundled sticks....
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i'm sure I can see a hole on the inside for a plug or screw fixing.it looks a nice and probably rare ring, ive never seen a Bakelite ring before
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I can hardly imagine that such kind of a ring has been produced. When you examine the pics you can see that the emblem is overlapping the ring a lot (even it would be relocated "uppwards"). You would get stuck in nearly each clothing which comes near. So the way of fixation is mostly insignificant. Bakelit has been a kind of valuable material at these times so such a sloppy or even stupid way of fixation would not be characteristic. Just my personal thoughts. Regards,
wotan, gd.c-b#105
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Yes, Bakelite or Galalith wee rather common.
If fixed with a pin or similar maybe it fits perfect while turning 180 degrees.
Here an other pic that looks fine i think
Last edited by odal; 01/14/2017 05:49 PM.
�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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Thankyou for the replies gentlemen , I will post better pics when traded hopefully this week ,
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I saw that ring in hand.....quality was very low.....
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Yes, Bakelite or Galalith wee rather common.
If fixed with a pin or similar maybe it fits perfect while turning 180 degrees.
Here an other pic that looks fine i think To me it the certain pic looks like showing the same (wrong) fixation. Due to the dimension of the Liktorenbuendel I personally think it can´t be fixed without overlapping the ring itself. Regards,
wotan, gd.c-b#105
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I have an original metal and brass variation of this ring and the swastika does overlap with the dot points on the emblem , the pic I've shown (I did not take) was taken on a top angle making it appear as if it's even more overlapped so to speak ,
The Bakelite has all the same diamesions as the metal type going by the pics and shape of the Bakelite ring
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I saw that ring in hand.....quality was very low..... In what way ? The swasika looks to be in fantastic condition just like my metal type of this ring , And Bakelite ring has the exact same sizing and diamesions going by the type I have , It's just Bakelite ring with emblem affixed , similar to the all metal type
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2 pics showing different angles making one look overlapping but other pic showing no issues , The Bakelite ring pics are a optical illusion just like what I've just shown , And I've just changed contrast on Bakelite ring pic , shows 2 mounting areas that I did not notice thanks polop Appreciate the comments guys , Polop your right , just changed contrast and shows 2 mount areas free picture uploadimage upload no ads
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apologies for the oversize pics in previous comment
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I really like both. For me both nice period rings.
�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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good score,thanks for showing
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An awesome pair of rings...
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Thankyou for the kind words
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