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Very nice rare ss enamel owned for many years by world leading expert (and this forums moderator) Gaspare Bua. Impeccable provenance. Patriotic 1930s swas ring high silver standard (935) by theodor fahrner with 17 20 point (3.4 carat total) white stones (possibly white sapphires). Probably owned by a high ranking party member or factory owner. Similar fahrner piece, without stones also owned by Gaspare Bua. This ones an easy opinion- IMHO very nice period rings. I wish I could afford them... but alas...one day!!
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Why suspicious, Trigger ? One you made?
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I saw many SS rings and none of them has "jumping" runes. May be I'm wrong, but this difference raise my suspitiness.
Second ring is pure cast and I saw many casting flaws. Hallmark are not clear and also looks casted. And I'm 100% sure that swastika ring is casted copy/fantasy
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Also check runes. Red lines are parallel (only middle red line +- matches the horizontal line). Orange lines has different angle. Yellow lines has the same length, but rune part as you can see - not. Never saw that before. That's why I'm thinking that this is not german quality.
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Very nice rare ss enamel owned for many years by world leading expert (and this forums moderator) Gaspare Bua. Impeccable provenance. Patriotic 1930s swas ring high silver standard (935) by theodor fahrner with 17 20 point (3.4 carat total) white stones (possibly white sapphires). Probably owned by a high ranking party member or factory owner. Similar fahrner piece, without stones also owned by Gaspare Bua. This ones an easy opinion- IMHO very nice period rings. I wish I could afford them... but alas...one day!! I would like to see hallmark on his swastika ring, I believe Gaspare ring has more clear and stamper hallmark, not that we can see on swastika ring with gemstones. Interesting to see another SS ring with same "jumping" and uneven runes
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It is a well known fact that many ss pp rings have "imperfect" runes as they were hand tooled and hand made, it's been repeated ad nauseum in the threads on real vs fake runes. Anyway I'm happy for the buyer, and wish I was him but I wish him the best. I really can't think about where this is going... if u can't buy a ring from Gaspare, u can't buy a ring. it's like asserting that Mike McAlvanah has stated that some SA dagger for instance is quite rare, then insisting Mr. McAlvanah doesn't know the first thing about SA Daggers (I beg your pardon for using you as an example Mr. McAlvanah- no disrespect intended whatsoever). Really, its just a discussion that I don't think is necessary.
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There's no question to the authenticity of the SS...as for the fahrner: Fahrner ring discussion
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ss look strange : crooked runs second run , fat then first on original , they are, bouth the same
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Well , here shot of original
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Evg, Thanks for posting. I agree that is a beautiful original ring you have. Just gorgeous! Thanks for posting. Now let's have a look....looks a lot like mine.....the center of the right vs left rune one is "thinner" on the horizontal plane than the other, also the runes are tilted (again like mine) and uneven on thier tilt or "jumping" as you guys call it. And finally look at the enamel where is meets the silver around the edges it's not squared up to the silver on the cartouche. All indicators of a beautiful handmade piece.
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E, I will always respect your opinion and I very much do in this moment, but these runes look identical to the one we are discussIng... am I missing something here?
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Okay, I can agree on SS ring, but how about flaws on swaz ring? On ring in WAF there is no any flaws.
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This two thread starting rings are not worth any discussion for me. Anybody here that is the opinion this Farner pattern should be die struck?
�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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Well , here shot of original For the doubters here i would suggest to trigger: Take this pic from E`s ring, turn it for 180 degrees and compare it.
�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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In my opinion some guys should do their houseworks and not start senselessly discussions for questioning the knowledge of others.
�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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Ah... subtle and understated, yet quite brilliantly made point E... I was slow on the uptake there, and yes of course I get it...
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This two thread starting rings are not worth any discussion for me. Anybody here that is the opinion this Farner pattern should be die struck? Hallmark also should be casted? Drilled holes also should be casted?
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Compare Chris ring from WAF and this thread. He told that ring (from WAF without casting flaws) is for sale, but on photos was another ring with casting flaws. This make me suspitious to this ring.
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I'm not sure what that means sergey the only farhrner ring I was selling was the one I posted. The link was provided to show another.
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It's good to question rings, but the intentions of questioning have to be right...not malicious, it's tiring seeing great rings ripped down by the same people time and time again who then turn around and prop up stainless steel precision cut ss rings....iv always been open and honest in my dealings, and I expect the same.
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Sorry, my bad, I thought that Chris from WAF is Chris from GD. But question is still open for me. How can be so different stamps? I clearly see casted hallmark and casted "drilled hole"?
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Farhrner,,, yes they are period.. But,,they were made slightly pre-war,,wartime,,and postwar.. I've seen many a variant of them.. Some in glass,,and some [now documented] with real Sapphires! The hallmarks are the key. Problem is these f ucking counterfeiters and good! They'll take a postwar ring and stamp with the early hallmark Hopefully still here is a topic with member 'Bentens' example,,a beautiful authentic wartime example! So,,with these,,the earlier they are,,the better the quality. You want sharp, crisp lines, stamped nice,,and if with 'Gems'they should be set very good.. No gems,, the Swas is slightly polished along with the side band design.
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ha ha,, just saw my old runic ring!! Long story short - It is a ring a member had here for many many years! I've always admired it.. I had a rare chance to buy a group of rings and this was part of the grouping. Shortly after a friend literally begged me to sell it to him. Didn't know he was a mover and shaker,,I should have kept it.. Anyway,,it made the rounds.. Shame that sometimes photos ruin a good 'one looker'.. In hand or with good photos,,it IS a one looker.. Uneven SS runic rings,,OK, many have uneven , offset, runes! In fact with some patterns it is part of the criteria for authentication!
Here is a [slightly] better photo.. And, heres a small shot of a Russian [?] found example,,maybe dug..
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Well the ring is now mine! ;-) And I am not a mover and shaker so the ring is finally in good hands. If there is any of you out there who would like your rings to find a good home please send me message.
P.S. Please do not message me about buying, sorry but none of the rings are for sale! Thank you, Ado
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Wow ado that's a heck of a group-- care to post on on the "ring of the year 2016" thread? I'd love to see ur fave acquisition of this year!! Beautiful set man!!! (I know G started the ring of the year thread idea a couple years back- id love to see it become our year end tradition!!)
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very nice ado!
The big Swas with runes on sides I know well. Been around a very long time,,made many travels in its life!
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Thank you Gaspare
Yes that ring is very special to me, it's one of a kind! I know this ring had couple of owners; pzb14 hmarley mseagle and finally moi Wish I could know more about it
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excellent collection! Just perfect. Would love to see more of your collection!
Buying rings, Odal and runic brooches and jewelry and Greifen kunst brooches.
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