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I guess this is the right place to ask this question.

Does anyone believe that there was a shorter postschutz dagger without chain, with leather strap?

Does anyone own an example that they wouldn't mind posting a photo of? I bought my first postschutz dagger last year, and rumours of an earlier model have intrigued me.

The model you refer to is sometimes called a Postschutz Subordinate's dagger. It's existence is often a disputed & contentious topic. There are some examples out there, I know someone who has one. Detractors believe they are postwar constructed largely from DLV parts.

Contrary to the (true) 1st model Postschutz leader�s dagger, which did exist without ANY doubt (proofed by SEVERAL wearing pics, I personally do posess several) there never has been proofed the period existance of a socalled subordinate�s dagger.
The (true) 1st model leader�s dagger is exactly like the later chained leader�s dagger but without middle scabbard fitting and without chain. the scabbard resembles the 1st mod. RLB leader�s dagger but without leather and is black laquered. The hanger is the same, an integrated, short leather hanger with clip.
The socalled, unprooved in existance, subordinate�s dagger is shorter and resembles in certain details the NSFKflyer�s dagger.
It might be from interest that regulations ALSO do NOT know such a subordinate�s dagger, for subordinates and men there has been destined the bayonet with certain troddels.
Some collectors, who do know only the quater of the truth believe this (true) 1st model leader�s dagger was a shool dagger as there exists a wearing pic with aledged school relation - WHICH IS PURE NONSENSE. AS I DO OWN THIS CERTAIN PIC and I do know IT�S ORIGIN and it has a text on the reverse and has the name of the wearer on the reverse there is NO school relation of this certain dagger.
Please don�t ask to show pics as there are crooks around and I often see my high and hard paid photographs in the net, proudly presented as it would be their property (instead of a download seizure...).
Regards,

Contrary to popular belief, there is evidence to suggest that there is or was a shorter Postschutz dagger.
There were even photo's of a early single hanger Officer version, so why not a shortie? (who' got one of those?)

Those who say 'never' in this hobby, later find many times that they were mistaken. Their only mistake (if one can call it that), is that, they never seen one.
Yes, I believe in them, so did Angolia.
When you have one in-hand, and it has all early nickel silver fitting including the grip insignia, you may not know quite what it is, but you got to know it's 'different'.

Vern has one of these, perhaps he will chime in.

-wagner-

I handled one of the short "subordinate" daggers and it was clear it was not the quality of the RLB daggers or frankly any Solingen dagger. Just my opinion and I only have seen one.

Wagner, I appreciat your vast knowledge but in this case please read my post carefully. Subordinate Postschutz members were never(!) authorized to wear a dagger. They HAD to wear the bayonet.
Yes, there was clearly a first model Postschutz leaders dagger with short hanger but never (and there is also not the least evidence1) of the period existance of a dagger called "shortie" by you.
The fakt that they do exist now is no evidence that they did exist during the period.

When there are even photographs of the first model Postschutz leader�s dagger (and I do own several! pics of it) which is nowadays NOT existent (I have never seen one or heard of a surviving 1st model) there should exist much more pics of much more (than leader�s mod.) subordinate daggers.

Regards,

In addition: I do own several group photographs of the certain, most early period. The leder(s) is(are) wearing the first model leader�s dagger, the NCOs and the men are wearing either no sidearm or the bayonet. Not the least trace of a "shortie"...
Regards,

Serge, Wotan is correct on this topic.

OK Ron, I can accept that. Thanks for chiming in.