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I have that same LAPO commemorative dedication, but on an early TR period sabre by Eickhorn.

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Oh, Very Nice Barry. I think Johnny's going to like that one - a lot.

Thanks for showing this beauty.

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Barry:

I sure think that is fantastic.

Now, if I were a sword collector, I would move heaven and earth to get this.

I hear rumours that there is a similar bayonet to mine only dedicated to the 5th Unit of the Land Police. If we could prevail on the owner or his friend to post that one here, or in a separate thread, I would be a very happy man.

Denny, I see your note and will start a separate thread with all of my pictures of this bayonet. Barry, could you post your sword there as well?

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Will do!

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Hello to all...very first post and what a thread to start!

Congratulations on those examples,fine and rare beauties indeed.

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Welcome to GDC, Darren.

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great sword!

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John great piece hard to top this one.

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Well, guys, here is a great bayonet to go with the one that I found at the SOS.

There are a handful of etched bayos on my bucket list and this is one of the top two.

You can find this type of bayonet in the Eickhorn catalogue as model 1681, Enlisted Man's Honour Bayonet.

It is also the same one as pictured in Wayne's book on pages 78 to 82, albeit with the addition of a portopee along the way.

Here is why this is so amazing and why it just had to be added to my collection:

1) it is an etch and bayonet pattern found in the Eickhorn catalogue as model 1681.
2) it has beautiful stag grips.
3) it has amazing cast patterns on the pommel and the crossguard and the top of the pommel.
4) it has a distributor mark, Anton Schweyer Munchen, on the spine.
5) it is a dedication to service in the 6th Unit of the Land Police Munich.
6) it has the small double oval serrated tail TM that I have found only on another special purchase, a shooting prize.
7) it is featured in Wayne's book.
8) it is in Mint- condition.

Enjoy,

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Just arrived from the Cashi collection is this short double etch Eickhorn.

The obverse has the common 3219 etch. The reverse is dedicated to Recon Unit 4, Squadron 2.

Why am I excited about this... well , let me tell you that I have the dedications to Recon 4, Squadrons 3 and 4 already and this is a nice addition to the set. It is also a bit different in format if you look at the comparison.

So, here it is,

John

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The Eickhorn 3227 etch is one of the hardest ones to find. It depicts a training exercise, I assume, with a group of men running across a field.

Fresh from the Cashi collection, is this short bladed double etch Eickhorn bayonet. On one side, we see a darkened (faded blued or faded blackened) panel with the name of Werner Ostmaier. On the other side, we see the 3227 etch.

The only thing about this bayonet that raised a question for me was the lack of the typical Eick fleur de lys bookends. But, the use of the same pattern as on the Eick etched swords for the bookends laid that concern to rest.

Enjoy this rare etch.

John

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Another excellent find, John.

Thank you for the photos.

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Fresh from the Cashi Collection is this short single etched bayonet by Eickhorn.

It is a shooting prize award for 4 IR 61, Munich, and dated 1939. It has the 35-41 seated squirrel TM and a neat set of grip insignia.

When I saw this on the site, I knew that I had to have it to join its squirrel family in the Great White North.

John

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This bayonet's beauty is quite understated, what a wonderful & rare item. Congrats John!


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John,
These all may be somewhat different (Citation to Military Units) but they all have one thing in common. They are ALL Eickhorn examples, they just "talk" to you. All are beautifully produced and have a quality
very hard to match. I would like some of you European collectors to carefully look at these pieces and remember what you see.

Great Photos John
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Here is a long double etched Eickhorn.

On one side you see the standard 3219 etch with the two Wehrmacht eagles, the most commonly found etch pattern by Eickhorn. On the dedication side, you will find the reason that I acquired this bayonet... a dedication to Observation Unit 35 (Beobachtungs Abteilung 35), my very first observation unit etch.

Not only is this rare, but it is in beautiful shape.

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And, fresh from the Kashi collection is this short double etched Luftwaffe bayonet.

On one side we find the short version of the 3231 Luftwaffe etch..the Luftwaffe eagle at the tip, the observation plane near the crossguard and no fleur de lys bookend near the crossguard since this is a short blade.

On the other side we see the name of the recipient, Arno Hecker, inside of the standard fleur de lys bookends and frame.

Two things make this bayonet very special, the rarity of the short version of a scarce etch and the dedication on the obverse, something that is almost never seen.

Please enjoy this as much as I do,

John

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This one is singularly unique among your Eick treasures, a great etch with the owner's name. Hope you can research him!


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As you all know by now, I like Eick!

And, finding a Gebirg Jager etch on a stag gripped bayonet is one of the highlights of my collecting career.

Here is a short, double etched beauty.

On one side, we find the 3220 crossed rifle etch in the short pattern, which means that it is missing the bottom bookend to make it fit the blade.

The reverse has the dedication to Gebirgs Jager Regt 98.

And, did I mention the beautiful stag grips.

This great bayonet goes well with my Gebirg Pionier and my Gebirg Artillery Eickhorns.

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Not in the Eickhorn catalogue, but found occasionally is a Luftwaffe etch that has some gulls in the panel closest to the blade tip.

So, why did I buy this from the Cashi collection, because...

Simply because this is a long version of the etch. I already had the short version, but this etch is a variant...there are fleur de lys bookends at both ends of the etch. The short version only has the bookend near the tip of the blade.

So, a long, single etched Luftwaffe gulls bayonet. And, the short etch to compare.

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Also, Eickhorn produced a Luftwaffe etch that featured a Luftwaffe eagle in the first panel.

Again, this is on a long blade with the two fleur de lys bookends.

And, again, I show you a short etch to compare.

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Also, from the Cashi Collection is what I call the Trifecta of artillery etched bayonets.

It is a long blade, double etched bayonet with a Pioniere hilt.

The long blade means that, as above, it has the two bookends, the dedication to an artillery unit is good, the fact that it is Artillery regiment No 1 makes it great. The Pioniere hilt just adds icing to the trifecta cake.

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Here is a short bladed, single etched piece that has the plain jane dedication etch typically found on the reverse of Eickhorn double etched blades.

But, wait... it is a dedication that loosely translates as `From the Officer Korps of the 6th Thuringen Infantry regiment 95`. probably a going away or retirement gift to a well loved superior, truly a one of a kind.

John

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Here is a very rare long triple etched shooting prize by Eickhorn.

What makes this rare, you ask? Well...

1 - It has super stag grips
2 - It has a spine etch
3 - There are two grip emblems for 'The best Shooter' and '1938'
4 - The obverse etch is the rare 3227 Men in Field pattern that is shown in the catalogue both as a sword and as a bayonet pattern. This is the exact one with the eagles at both ends with feet to each other. You can also see this pattern in Wayne's book on pages 88-9.
5 - The reverse etch is a sword pattern etch.
6 - The crossguard and the pommel are hand dimpled to give a rough pattern somewhat like the hammered scabbard effect found on some Kriegsmarine daggers.

Here are some pictures. I found this on Joe Polsinelli's table at the SOS.

John

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The quality of these is impressive. What an exciting collection.

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That's a great #3227! I agree with Jim that the quality of the etch looks excellent, I really love the adler bookends too. Congrats John!


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I saw this one at the SOS and its a killer.


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Yeah, it's a killer.. I just wish that I had been the first to see it, not the second third or fourth.


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I have an etched bayonet that was my father's. Was told it was an officers dress or parade bayonet. No makers mark stamped on it anywhere. I was told it was real and most likely made in a small mom and pop shop. It has a stag horn handle and the blade is etched on both sides.The blade is near perfect with a shiny mirror finish. It has red felt in the groove of the handle. One side has a wehrmacht eagle with its wings halfway open holding a swastika and a German inscription that I was told says "for my time in the service". The other side has the same eagle and 4 men on horseback riding into battle. Does anyone have any info or insight into this bayonet? Any help would be greatly apreciated. Thank you.

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Can you post pictures?

Or send them to me at jsfzeller@hotmail.com and I will post for you.

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I tried to post photos but couldn't figure it out.I am sending now from candicerose034@yahoo.com

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I tried to post photos but couldn't figure it out.I am sending now from candicerose034@yahoo.com

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I am posting Ronro's pictures.. had to resize them to get them to post here.

Very poor pictures, but from what I can see, this looks like the bayonet pictured in Wayne's book on pages 51-52. Based on that, as well as the poor bookends that you can see on the photos and other etch flaws, I would have to say that this is a reproduction etched blade and is not anything that one would want in their collection.

John

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Thank you for taking a look. What is Wayne's book that you reference this is in?

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Wayne Techet wrote a book called 'German Etched Dress Bayonets'. This is THE reference book for these kinds of bayonets.

His website is found here:

http://www.vonryansexpress.com/main.htm

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Thank you. This has been informative. On the front under the chrome in the Ricasso area you can see letters coming through under the chrome nickel plating, but we can not make it out entirely. It definitely has an "ma"at the end. I know the photos aren't great, I am sorry about that.

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The poorly fitted stag grips are also a giveaway that this bayonet is not proper.


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My latest addition to the Eickhorn etched bayonet stable is this short double etch.

The obverse has the common 3219 double Wehrmacht eagle tine in service etch.

The reverse reads as 'Unterstab II / A.R. 60'. I translate this as 'Regimental staff non commisioned officer II, Artillery Regiment 60'.

The condition is very nice, Near Mint to be exact. And the dedication is one that I have never seen before, although I did find a reference to a picture album to Unterstab I, AR 33 for sale a while back on another site.

IMHO, this is a pretty rare unit dedication to find.

Enjoy,

John

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Very nice John
I would assume that Unterstab would mean the lower ranks of the NCO's.
Whatever it is it's great.
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Makes sense, Gary.


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Hello JohnZ, in the "Allgemeine Militär Zeitung Jahrgang 2" (General Military Newspaper) from 1827 it is written:
Each Artillerie regiment consists of a Oberstab, a Unterstab and 10 companies. To the Oberstab do belong 1 colonel, 1 LtCol., 1 Mj and the Adjudant; To the Unterstab do belong 1 Adjudant, 1 Quartiermeister, 1 Feldprediger, 1 Oberarzt, 1 Tanbour and 2 Pfeiffer.
As said, from 1827, but I think it is somehow comparable. Btw it is the first time I have heard the term of "Unterstab".
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