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Hi, show your full Rohm SA daggers here! I have seen a few recently that were in very nice condition! But, I wonder who has the very best conditioned one out there in the collector community today? I mean a non tampered with museum quality piece! Does such a dagger exist?

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Originally posted by Cool:
Hi, show your full Rohm SA daggers here! I have seen a few recently that were in very nice condition! But, I wonder who has the very best conditioned one out there in the collector community today? I mean a non tampered with museum quality piece! Does such a dagger exist?

My advice is not to post pics of that type of daggers in the moment.
To many fakes around and the "Fakers" snap up the pictures and make the copy better next time
Just my opinions of the case.
Stay alert

LH

One of the best SA full Rohm that I have recently seen, was sold by Gailen David.

http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/...477091573/m/77910811

here is my near minty one.....

I am lucky to own a nice example. Glad I bought it when the market for these were slow.

I seen that one Pat that Gailen David recently sold, it was a beauty! And that Eickhorn one that you have Eric is a mind blowing example also, does it have a bench number on the bottom crossguard?

yes it is stamped #4 It came out of an old collection several years ago. The photos really don't do it justice. I have been offered some big bucks for it but the problem is I really would have a hard time replacing it.

I have an F. Dick full Roehm that is slightly better than these that I will get out of the bank post SOS and will picture for you all.
Ron Weinand

Hi Eric, thanks for the extra info on your dagger...it sure is sweet!! I will look Forward to seeing your F.Dick full Rohm Ron when you get back from the SOS! To me the Full Rohm daggers are so important as it marked a very important time in history when the SS murdered Rohm! And very few original full Rohms exist today, especially in the condition above!!

Not sure how "rare" these daggers are, IMO they are hard to find in nice condition. I have seen several beaters around in the past 5-6 years, but even they are getting hard to find.

Ron please share your opinion on " rarity" of theses daggers......

IMO, the SA Roehm Full Inscription Dagger is HIGHLY UNDER RATED! Over the years I have had less than a dozen and, when compared with the 50 or so M36 SS Chained pieces I have had, they are under priced and much more rare than the current market reflects.
The real problem with these is the fact that there were many repros in the early years. At first they were crude and even some RZM marked pieces.
Then we went through the Reddick Repro Blades, next it was the original blades with a Roehm Inscription added (to some SA makers that never made a Roehm model) and now the total repro blades.
Once you have studied the originals (known and repros) and can identify the bad and ugly, it is not an impossible challenge to spot the phony as Pat will tell us.
This, coupled with some of the condition problems of many of the originals, has limited the price potential when compared with the M36 SS Chain (many more near mint and mint pieces available when compared to the original SA Roehms) one can wonder what the true market price should really be???
I believe that when more and more collectors become more confortable with the SA Roehm (and maybe when Wittmann's SA Book hits the market) you will see a dramatic rise in prices, especially in the near mint to mint conditioned pieces.
JMO,
Ron Weinand

Ron,

Great point about the many fakes that are on the market. This fact IMO really hurts the value of the original daggers as potential buyers are scared off. When I first started this dagger was low on the list due the many pitfalls. BUT if you study the real deal and network with known experts you will be fine.

I can count one one hand the amount of original minty examples I have seen in 6 years.

Also IMO M36 daggers are not rare at all, just in high demand. (Owned 7-8) Only owned 1 full Rohm.

Ron, are you back from the SOS yet?? Really would like to see your Rohm.

Sepp

GDC 0292 Gold

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I have an F. Dick full Roehm that is slightly better than these that I will get out of the bank post SOS and will picture for you all.
Ron Weinand

Yes,It would be great to see your dagger as well Ron!

I am in MO at a gun show. Just bought 3 great Hunting Daggers from an old collection. One Damascus, one a gold Hunter with grip DJ Deer Head insignia and 35 to 31 Eickhorn TM (I'll post photos when I get back, and a neat Camo M40 SS Single Decal Helmet.
So, can't get to the bank for a while yet.
Ron

Lonnnng Gun Show

Sepp

GDC 0292 Gold

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Originally posted by Sepp:
Lonnnng Gun Show

Sepp

GDC 0292 Gold

Hope the Bank didn't close.

In the mean time here's a Eickhorn Rohm.

-serge-

Serge,Thats very nice,Eickhorn made very nice daggers for sure.

Back in 1998 I had a chance to buy from Tom Johnson a Mint Pack for $4595.00 I still kick myself for not buying it. Now I think today the prices are just to high.

Sepp

GDC 0292 Gold

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Originally posted by Ronald Weinand:
IMO, the SA Roehm Full Inscription Dagger is HIGHLY UNDER RATED! Over the years I have had less than a dozen and, when compared with the 50 or so M36 SS Chained pieces I have had, they are under priced and much more rare than the current market reflects.

I believe that when more and more collectors become more confortable with the SA Roehm (and maybe when Wittmann's SA Book hits the market) you will see a dramatic rise in prices, especially in the near mint to mint conditioned pieces.
JMO,
Ron Weinand

Sepp,
I concur with Ron.
These are truly hard to find. However if you hang around once in a while a good one will spring up at a fair price. Usually you have to hear it from a colleague.
Thanks for the kind words.

-serge-

that is a very nice Eickhorn full Rohm you have there serge! Are you ready yet Ron to show off your fine full Rohm? And I also concur with what has been said regarding the rarity of SA Full Rohm daggers!

Very nice Rohm, Serge !

These full Rohm SA's are very difficult to find in any conditions. Actually, the only ones that are pretty easy to find are those that are fake, and there's a lot around.

Thanks Sepp, Cool & Pat.

-serge-

Guys:

I like Eick!

The reverse

Gotta love that maker mark!

The etch:

The grip:

The real grip, sorry.

Reverse grip:

And the gay blade himself:

John

I remember that one John when you first bought it last year, perhaps one of the nicest one in the world.
Just a superb specimen and it doesn't get any better.

that is an awesome example you have there John!

Veeeerrry Nice John!

-serge-

Wonderful John, you have such a great collection.

John, Now that is truly mega mint!

mine

2

Mine P1

P2

P3

P4

P5

P6

Lovely Full Rohms that have been shown so far, thanks for sharing. Is there any chance Ron that we can see that mint F. Dick one that you say you have?

Ta Da!

Since others have been showing their Rohms, I thought I would display a pristine Unground example- Pic #1- looking good

Pic #2 looking very good

Pic #3 still good

Pic #4- looking great

Pic #5- slight drawback

#6-note the symetrical pattern

#7- note the intact unground dedication

Yes sir- Ernst was pround to sign this one !!! Mike

Mike is this an Original Damask Rohm

here is my e.p. & s. full röhm dagger. sorry for the quality of the picture. i still practice. best jcb

another pic

and rev.

Mike, what has happened to that blade on that poor dagger? It looks like it has been dipped in acid or something!!

Hi, is there any chance Ron that we can see this minty full Rohm of yours, im really looking forward to seeing it, with many others!

awsome daggers guys ha if only i had the money to dump into them , all my money is going into my chevelle , nice pieces of history tho guys