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A period 3rd reich ring dies is as rare as hens teeth. I only know of 3..

But here,,,IF any has any sort of period die could they please post them..

Don't own it,,photos credit WAF:

here's one I own,,,from the mid 1920s..

and another.. This is a US die,,from the 1930s... But this could have any plate affixed to the front,,or a skull riveted on it.. A simple ring die that could lead to many different rings!

Guys,,any die,,a badge, part from a pin,,anything please.. Thanks -

Here is one interesting die from my last trip to Germany. Very rarely seen maker's markings on die. I would speculate that this was done only on dies made for somebody else.

Patriotic ring die.

WONDERFUL!..,, Yes dies blocks are rarely marked. Sometimes a number but maker is rare. The block was usually stored and /or shipped in a well marked box from the die cutter to manufacturer.

Really nice,,any more? Please, they could be of anything,,great for the members to see...,thanks,G.

OK, I'll make some more pics tomorrow. I have them enough

Great...

Here's a few from some old files I had..

This Tinnie example I don't know what the deal is with it. Thought they were injection [?] made..

here are a couple old, very well used dies:

No, plate attached is meant to work as side forming element. Common practice in medal, coin making. Sure normally they are not welded to die.

Here are some master dies for rings.

Signet blank ring masters 30ies 40ies

dies from 191... 192..ies

separate integral parts of ring dies. Used to make complicated dies.

often to save tool steel more than one die was made in one piece of metal.

another three ring die from 30ies. On the middle ring there is naked woman

Hope you get idea how period ring dies looks

Hap that is amazing...thank you!! Could the 192 and 191 be used to make year's like 1922 or 1918? Also, the cracked shield die...I presume it's non functional in that state, I suppose they would just make a new die? Or did they have some imperfect ones, but have a method for fixing die flaws?

yes with these masters were made every year new die. To save on labor date was not engraved full in master. It was struck in working die and last digit was engraved by hand. Next year again new working die was made and again it was not necessary to engrave full die but only one new digit.

It is not working die, it is master for making working die. Usually when die gets broken, it is just thrown away. Sometimes it can get fixed and then sometimes you can see some repair defect.
Mostly therm die flaws are used to hide casting defects. Many gays use term die flaw but actually never has seen some die with flaws.
If interested I can make some repaired die pics.

Wow!
Very, very interesting.
Much thanks for showing here!

Hi I have found this for sale. Is this period die or fake ?

How big is it, g?

is it supposed to be a SS eagle visor cap device? The head/neck looks weird..
Does it feel heavier than if it was a normal block of steel for its size?
Interesting!

I doubt it and wouldn't spend money on this. I see more than one red flag.

Why it should weight more than normal steel? Tool steels does not weight more than any other steel.
I've seen few fake dies that was not made in normal die/tool steel. They were made from mild construction steel and was not hardened. Die should be approx 59-60HRC. Than can be tested with Rockwell or simply any file. It is hardness when file does not work any more.

Hi, I have found this offered for sale on the auction site. I have no idea how big is it and how heavy is. I just wanted to show it in this thread and hear Your opinions. Dies is absolutely not my field of interest.

I'm not using any scales or anything ...
My dies feel a bit heavier than if , lets say made out of mild steel.? Imaginary yes?

Yup

Saw this on russian forum.

Wow that is a period die for a well known ww pattern. I am hoping that the ring on the bottom of the first pic is a period piece.... ?

I don't have any pics of ring dies, but here's a stickpin die from the Danish resistance of my local town.
I don't have one myself (althought looking for one), only one i have ever seen is the one pictured, which is in a local museum depo i used to volunteer at. Death head stickpin dated 6 may 1945, and with text "Ribes Gr�nsevagt" (Ribes border control). Given to resistance fighters from Ribe who were stationed at the Danish/German border.
Who commissioned them and why they used a skull in the design is unknown, made by Ribegold smith Bottelet, Mellemdammen. The museum depo has both the stickpin and the original die to the skull.

Would love a copy of it as filler, but i doubt i'll ever find one

Items like this simply can not fall into the wrong hands..

That's if they already have not over the years!

I like the stickpin!

I don`t believe that this is a period one.

look here, both from an auction of the last weeks:

k3,,,that's a beautiful stick pin die! Love it!

A period die is a rare rare thing! Not many in collections. That being said-

Guys,,they have been making fake dies for years. Used to be very hard. But now its quite easy. Does anyone have the text to the die from the Russian forum? Or from the auction? Do they claim its authentic? OR , 'wow a cool thing'?..

Can't get to my rings,,can't even remember IF I have that pattern! [sad right!] Does anyone have that pattern that is ,,lets say,,over 5 years?

STAMPING STOCK for the official Westwall ring with the inscription `Westwall 1939 / 40`, Positive temple of solid iron, width 7.8 cm, excellent condition, extremely rare
Here exactly one produced in this stanza official Westwall ring with the inscription `Westwall 1939 / 40` of 925 silver, ring depicting a steel helmet and bump lines, medium to large size, excellent condition, rare
Embossed floor and ring together form an extremely rare set !!!

Swastica master die and ring does not look right. If that's same seller/source for Westwall ring that makes me think...
Patina on both rings looks same... that sounds like newly made rings, but that means there are also working dies...

the more I look on them the less I like them all.

Both dies were in same auction from the same seller.
And while taking a closer look i am nearly to 100 % sure the die you showed is the die from this auction.

I am glad to have ring of this pattern for years.
You can bet new ones will come out