#31083
01/02/2010 10:03 PM
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TKissinger
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#31084
01/02/2010 10:23 PM
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That is my favorite etch EVER! on my favorite shorty too ! I liked you terry, Now i love you too Great bayo !!!!!!!
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#31085
01/02/2010 10:31 PM
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Wow, Terry you are one lucky guy! To be able to find this great etch in such a great condition, on a mint bayonet is just pleasure for the eyes! Beautiful. JAN
An avid KS98 bayonet collector.
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#31086
01/02/2010 11:07 PM
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This is amazing. It looks really good. I know soldiers were allowed to alter gear that was standard issue. But these daggers, it was OK to etch? You guys know much more about this than me... Is there a way to make sure the etching is authentic? This piece looks nice.
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#31087
01/02/2010 11:21 PM
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mp j
Yes there are several Dress bayonets with etched pannels. No one is sure why these were purchased. Wayne T. offers 3 possible reasons why and who would buy these.
1. Militiary personal retiring from the military.
2. End of enlistment
3. Continuous Service.
If you don't have Waynes book, buy one, it has a lot of interesting pictures of the good etchs and some of the repros that are floating around.
TKissinger
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#31088
01/03/2010 12:48 AM
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I continue to be the neophite, but dress bayos or daggers are the exception it appears with etched blades. I'm glad my interest (currently) is combat-related and WW2 centered.
Regards!
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#31089
01/03/2010 01:04 AM
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#31090
01/03/2010 01:58 AM
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Hi.
I live in Wisconsin, U.S.A.
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#31091
01/03/2010 02:02 AM
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I'm also very new to this and ask a lot of questions. I have a lot to learn. My goal is to put together a group of five nice German bayonets for display and possible entrance as antiques in the county fair. I have two. I'll be putting photos online soon. I'm sure these will be very elementary for you guys, but I'm in awe. There's a lot of knowledge out there! I'm 95 percent+ German lineage.
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#31092
01/03/2010 02:05 AM
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I thought i lived out in the sticks i hear it is a bute of a place (plain fields)?
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#31093
01/03/2010 02:17 AM
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Gorgeous bayo Terry.
In Memory of Joe Mann Medal of Honor Recipient July 8, 1922 � September 19, 1944
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#31094
01/03/2010 02:24 AM
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That's a wonderful piece for sure. Love it!
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#31095
01/03/2010 02:43 AM
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Here's one of the pieces that came in this past December, a nice sawback. Unusual crossguard though, 3R era maker mark but the crossguard is the standard KS98 type. What gives?
GDC Gold Badge #290 GDC Silver Badge #310
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#31096
01/03/2010 02:44 AM
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Here's a little better shot which explains that it isn't a standard fire bayonet. A copper sword grip emblem on the grip plate?
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#31097
01/03/2010 02:49 AM
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This piece has all the facets these scarcely seen pieces are said to display primarily a late unplated hilt with a copper sword police emblem pinned to the obverse grip plate. This bayonet also has a nice mint sawback blade, some have been seen with plain blades (Clamshells & other German bayonets, Walker & Weinand). This one is WKC marked on the obverse, some have been seen by WKC & others unmarked.
Also of interest is the original frog which has a crossword puzzle type pattern in the material, you can see some of it in the picture. It also has a rubber smell to it. I've read that some late war frogs were constructed from rubber parts so I presume this is one of them. Has anyone seen this type frog?
Many thanks to Gary Southgate & Willi Warda for their instrumental help in getting this piece across the pond to me. You guys are the best!
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#31098
01/03/2010 03:01 AM
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Billy
Check page 131 of Ron W. & Gary W. book on Dress bayonets. Looks to be the same except yours have the saw blade. Very nice pick-up. Seems like a late war Police-Fire bayonet.
TKissinger
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#31099
01/03/2010 04:20 AM
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Hey Terry, I passed on one from the Olde Brigade about 8 years ago & have been kicking myself since. I would have settled for a plain unmarked blade but got lucky. Paid dearly for it but I'm happy nevertheless
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#31100
01/03/2010 03:33 PM
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Billy: So, this is the lump of coal that you were griping about? I think your coal turned into a diamond. You are correct, Gary and Bill are among the good guys in this hobby. Mpj: You can find etched blades on many types of daggers, not just bayonets. Armies, Luftwaffes, Hunting, Forestry, Shooting, SAs... now some of these etches are very rare and most of them have been faked in some way or other. As Terry suggested, buy books before spending and risking your money on buying blades. John
Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
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#31101
01/03/2010 03:34 PM
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Terry:
I forgot to say... NICE etch! And, even better blade.
Will you be at the SOS with Denny?
John
Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
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#31102
01/03/2010 04:22 PM
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John
Will be there. Denny took pity on this old man a couple years ago and let me use one of his chairs, and now I have become a leech. I have always wanted one with this style of book ends.
TKissinger
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#31103
01/03/2010 06:10 PM
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To Will: Where I live in Western Wisconsin is the driftless region, so we have unglaciated topography. The region is largely made up of coulees, ridges and valleys. I live about 25 miles east of the Mississippi River. We are an agricultural area, but the topography is fairly vertical in places. It was -15 when I woke up this morning. To Johnz: I will keep reading and learning. I'm starting small, and my interest lies in WWII combat bayonets. I have a couple books to pick up before I buy another bayonet... Thank you for the advice.
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#31104
01/05/2010 03:04 AM
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Terry, To my knowledge, that's the first item other than beef jerky to surface at that show in the last 15 years. I'm almost sorry I stopped attending about 10 years ago. Nice catch!!!
WANTED TO REPURCHASE!! Walther pistol Model PP - ac code - Ser. No. 382000P - REWARD FOR INFO ABOUT THIS PISTOL!!
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#31105
01/07/2010 01:05 AM
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Denny I was really surprised to find anything myself. It was a good thing I got to it before my brother did or I would be showing you my brothers bayonet instead of mine if had seen it first.
TKissinger
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#31106
01/07/2010 04:55 AM
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Terry, wow killer bayo. I have a so-so one by Klaas on a Hack-werk Steyr. The etch is the same as yours. note the placement the 'AN' after the swaz. look at Wayne's book p. 232 then p.256 for a unattributed one with same style of placement. what is the TM? also note the book end goes up, and not down. mpj_ sorry bad news. but 5 bayos = becomes 10, and before you know it you are looking for a bigger room they breed like rabbits steve,
Looking for PP mag # 981029
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#31107
01/08/2010 02:32 AM
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Steven, nice piece you have there. I like Hack etched bayonets and had never seen one like yours before. Oh yes, mine has no TM.
TKissinger
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#31108
01/08/2010 03:31 AM
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Terry, I've seen Steve's Hackwerk before, it's a beauty & I don't blame him for picking it up. The piece you posted isn't half bad either Nicely done
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#31109
01/08/2010 03:27 PM
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Thanks Terry. I thought post a pic of Wayne photo of p.232 in Wayne's book German etched dress bayonets (Wayne I hope you dont mind) for those that dont have it. If not you need to get a copy a lot of good info there. you can see some of the sudtle differences between the one's pictured. And the one's Terry and I have shown. in the book they are on the reverse. and ours are on the obverse. Billy, I love the new one you have there. I think it may need a new home someday in Texas steve
kl.JPG (101.35 KB, 67 downloads) kl
Looking for PP mag # 981029
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#31110
01/08/2010 10:33 PM
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Mine is like the one pictured on page 256 of Waynes book.
TKissinger
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