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WKC Subordinate Forestry knife. I did not want to remove from my display case so the pics may not be that good. Ron

Incredible. Love the green felt in the mount too

Ron:

You have been showing us some incredible pieces. Thank you.

John

Thank you. This was my first case and really should have made it easier to open up. With it being under glass, the details didn't show up too well on the cutlass. Ron

These deluxe forest daggers are always a treat to see. And it has a nice overall condition. Thank you for showing.
Regards,

Ron,

Nice looking Forestry blade. I agree, the case & green background are really beautiful too. You've always had nice taste in blades.

Hello
I am not one that likes to add something to a collectible that it did not come with and vice verso, removing items. I did however attach this forestry knot to my cutlass. Was going to display beside it (not attached) but decide on this. Ron

Hello Tanker, accoutrements are, at least for me, always the icing of the cake. Unfortunately, this is, conforming to regulations, not the proper knot. The knot you have attached is either for a military bajonet and indicates the Stabskompagnie or is for the long Deutschen Schuetzenbund huntingdagger. The knot for both is one and the same.
Not saying that it has not possibly been worn that way, but as said not conforming to regulations.
For a forest dagger grade up to Unterfoerster the flat acorn without a slide is proper.
Regards,

I had asked Ron Weinand and he said it was totally appropriate for the cutlass. Also could be worn on hunting and shooting daggers.

I personally would ask Baz69 for a second opinion .

Perhaps you know that I am also collecting wearing pics. I do have a lot of forest dagger wearing pics. Not one is with this troddel in question.

Regards,

Baz said flat like you have but who is right?? S the pics I see with are all wrong?


I will remove and toss in a drawer or sell it.

Tanker, if you like it that way you have it, it is what is important! There is no real problem.If you are unsecure now, let it attached on the piece (it looks great), do look occasionally for one with the flat stem and if you get one change it. And don?t forget to store the round one for a German Schuetzenbund dagger if once you come across one!
Regards,

Not trying to be argumentative but I see on TW's site 4 subordinate cutlasses with the same knot and have had the same amount of folks say it is appropriate as much as they say it is for shooting cutlasses.
Can we be 100% sure these types were never used on a subordinated cutlass? I know the regulations say one thing, but for us folks that have been in the military know that things don't always follow them to the letter. I am otrn as to whether to keep it or not:(

The ball has to be oval in shape for a subordinates forestry cutlass, the one you show is for the shooting cutlass, Ron Weinand can say what he likes, Tom Wittmann can put what he likes on his cutlasses, it's not the right knot.

Gary

Gary thank you, that is exactly what I wanted to express.....

Btw, I have checked TTWs site, he has the green round one on only one forest dagger (wrong), the others are either DJaegerschaft (also wrong) or shooting related daggers or have the oval ball portepee.

Regards,

Would you remove it or leave it on? If I leave it I will sell it as I don't collect anymore. So you are saying it could not have been used on it.

No it could not have been used on it.
Gary

OK, You are welcome to your opinion but I don't see how you can bee 100% sure. Do you have any documentation?

Hello, as already said, if you like it this way let it attached at the forest dagger.
By the way, do YOU have any documentation that the round troddel is (also???) correct for the forest dagger????
2nd by the way, I DO have a regulation what is proper for forest daggers...
Regards,

I wasn't trying to be sarcastic/rude, I just wanted to know. There are those that say fine and those that say not fine. Based on just personal observation by everyone, my thought was just as valid as others. I would like to see the documentation nd if you want to pm me a copy or email the portion dealing with the subordinate knots.

Tanker,

I have written full documentation with photographic proof but after I have read your contribution in the hr forum I did decide to delete it and will not react on any post of you.
Regards,

That is your choice. You have your opinion and certainly entitled to it as others have theirs. My post on the HR forum should have no impact on this topic. As far as I am concerned, it can be closed as nothing can be gained from the back and forth.

Lot of collectors like you buy accountrements to complete their set, if that set will be sold in the future it comes with a portepee........will that make it the proper one?
Has the buyer done the proper research before he bought his Portepee, or first bought one, posted it and didnt liked the opinions of the seasoned collectors?
Like Jagger sung long ago: you cant Always get what you want....
The Regulations are very clear, if your realy interested then read this post on warrelics, on the last page 2 pictures of the regulations are shown descr.: flat bal, i hope you can read German.
So i fully agree with Gary & Wotan, yours insn't correct.
http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/attac...enger-fuer-untere-forstbeamte-img341.jpg

Cheers
Ger

FOR Gerrit1963
I think you are too quick to judge me. First, I am not selling it and second I didn't put the portepee on it to deceive or enhance it for future sale. All I asked was some documentation. For someone saying it was positively never used on one is not quite right. Yes, they may be seasoned collectors and folks take their word as gospel but it is not wrong to question. I am in the process of obtaining a correct knot.

Although it sounded that i was refering to you, i ment it in a more common way, as that is what in a lot of cases is the fact.
No enough research has been done, and green is green, so they pair, and a lot are sold along the years and end up at the big dealer houses....with the wrong portepee.
And its good to do your own investigation and learn along the way, i do not question that, but a lot can be learned from seasoned collectors who contributed numerous hours of their time in their field of interest.

Ger

Gerrit 1963
No problem. Thanks for the clarification. I did find another and currently waiting to receive it. It looks like this.Ron

Here is the cutlass with the new knot. For all the posters that had criticism of the previous knot, I hope this one is satisfactory

Perfect knot for this cutlass.

Gary

Gary
Thank you for the help and approval. Difficult to find this knot and even though it has wear (actually matches closely to my cutlass) fortunate to find an original.

+1

Very nice one!

Ger