UBB.threads Forums Edged Weapons SS Dagger Forum SS GRIP OPINIONS ARE NEEDED !!!

Friends! I have questions about this grip. Was there repair, repainting, replacement of elements,chipped,or something else ? The ends slightly shorter in length in contrast to the standards. All details on the photographs. Thanks those who wish help ..

Based of the body lines and a higher seated eagle, it's one of these Helbig or D.Malsch grips.

Regards,
Gerd

Dagger gripps were made to fit the crossguards..of that particular producer...and were not massed produced being one size or fit.

Kreta has identified the grip as being from an early producer..and it is the early type..but fitted what looks to be late plated crossguards. This is one of many reasons why it has poor fit. Regards Larry

Sorry, but Helbig and Malsch were not early producers. They made later stuff of the worst quality and fit ever seen.

That grip is what remains of an early grip. The bits look OK. But it has been adjusted or resized so many times that it will not fit in any crossguards ... early or late. Junk. Only value in the rune and eagle

Sorry Larry,
i think you got me wrong. As i wrote,the grip is a Helbig or Malsch and not an early one.
Dave is quite right.
Regards,
Gerd

Thanks Dave,but why do you think that it was remains of an early grip ? I see aluminum eagle on this grip,and i think that this is a grip from the late RZM dagger. Is it not right ?

You could be right.

I see probably nickel silver eagle and the smoother fatter lines of early grips, not the more angular of later grips.

Still junk.

Yes Dave, this is the main point for me. What do you think by this photos, there was some repair or repainting or all in original condition ? I see that I can fit it with a very specific crossguards which I have never seen. Or it was be possible in the period ?

my bad,,I am still in SA mode..sorry about that

The grip has had both the top and bottom 'wings' shortened so they do not extend as they should. The will never fit any crossguard that I have ever seen. The lower visible grip radius has been modified and no longer fits the radius of that crossguard. What else was done I cannot tell.

THIS WAS NOT DONE BY THE ORIGINAL MANUFACTURER / ASSEMBLER

Thanks Dave,I see ! Did I correctly understood you,that likely the wooden part has been modified and repainted by someone after the war? It could not be original period item in such parameters, even for late RZM when requirements were not as strict? Or is it a fake with using of original elements?

I have answered that question more than once above. Please re-read or get someone with a better understanding of English to help you.

Thank you Dave. I understand what you write))) The matter that I bought this grip from a dealer who is also a member of this GD and WA forums. He assured me that this grip is in original condition of period and without alterations. I paid the real amount for this. But when I got the grip I had a lot of questions, but the seller assures that I`m wrong......

Was it advertised here on GDC in our for sale area?

No Dave. I bought this grip at his online store. Here on the forum, I just needed opinions from a collectors to understand who is right ....and get a real arguments to discuss with the seller.

Gerd, maybe you're right. But some collectors believe that Helbig or Malsch was the post-war production SS daggers. What is your opinion about it ?

Well honestly,i've never liked these daggers.
A few reason why:
Photo etched and high center ridge blade,eagle position,TM too far down,iron /iron based crossguards...etc..many say it's related to Atwood.....
I would never buy one of these.

Regards,
Gerd

Everything Kreta says is true about the construction. And, they were assembled by poorly trained people.

But, I have seen two bought directly from vets and am aware of others acquired the same way. I am convinced that these two assemblers were not post war.

Why they were allowed to produced this junk .... ??

That's a good question Dave.
I bought over 90 % of my stuff out of veterans sources,private estate sales.etc..and saw many junk out of these sources in the past 35 years.
Almost old reproductions. Why? many lost them,thru different reasons and re bought their stuff,in the 50 &60's.Nobody took care about the TM,motto,grip,to name a few.

Here is the latest example:
A close friend of mine bought an 1053 from the grandson of the vet ,about three weeks ago. Right in the same small village. 1500 �
The same here!
Looks like Atwood ,in my humble opinion.
Here are a few pics,
Gerd