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Screaming example Paul !! 2 thumbs up
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Wow ! Glad to see you still collect ! Super dagger.
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Beautiful dagger Paul,congrats. I really want to see your personal stash  ?
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Are the fittings nickel silver and the scabbard blued?
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No Ron but you have a good eye. When I 1st looked at it I thought the same but it's just dulled as this was laying in a closet at the Vets girlfriends for 60 years. There is a light coat of patina all over it. Just for interest sake this came in with it. Another tagged example, see haw it has the same light coat on it? My guess is the Vet got into a factory and swiped these.  
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Ok now if you want a real stretch here...
Perhaps some evidence that Schüttelhofer participated in RZM contract 1198/39...
I know a stretch but thought I would toss it out for the fun of it.
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Paul,
Interesting thought. The vet certainly did not get those two "off a dead German" as we often hear. Those are worth hanging on your own wall. Great find.
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Paul, Two amazing finds from the Vet, would love to have them both myself  Now i can read in red ink the letter M & number 7 on the SS tag next to Hersteller: M7/? , can you make it out ?, if you can read it you might have the maker of 1198 Regards Mac 66.
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Congrats on these finds,Paul!
Scott,
it looks like only one number behind the slash.
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it looks like only one number behind the slash.
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Yes that what i was thinking as well, maybe will Paul chime in & let us know if he can make it out ?, he could solve a mystery here for maker 1198 Regards Mac 66.
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Sorry guys can't make it out. 
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Sorry guys can't make it out. So the number could either be 3,4,6,7,9 ?, as we know what makers # 1,2,5,8,10 stand for, can you not make out any part of the number ?, would an ultra violet light help ?
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Sorry guys can't make it out. You may ask a forensic technican The ink has been faded already,but if i had to guess,i would say 6,because the marked area looks like a circle. Just my thoughts, Gerd
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Gerd, I was thinking #6 as well for M7/6 H & F Lauterjung, Solingen. i do not think we are far away  Mac 66.
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I wonder if there is some sort of special light we could use cause this would be a cool discovery.
Any CSI detectives out there?
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Paul, Try holding it up to the light to see if impressions in the paper show up the way a watermark would show up or try a digital camera that makes automatic lighting adjustments may reveal impressions or residue when you use ISO mode (no flash, ambient light only) and the light is low (you 'll have to experiment to find out how low to adjust your light). If that does not work try infrared or blacklight or maybe Ultraviolet light, would probably work best in a dark room , good luck Have a read here as well: http://www.inkpal.com/ink-news/how-to-fix-faded-ink-on-old-documents/ Mac 66.
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Outstanding!!! Don't be a "hoarder" or is that "Herder"?? Give them up!!!! really nice paul, great find, cheers, Ryan
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An interesting link Scott,but if this were mine,i would ask somebody who is a professional in this business!
Shouldn't be a big problem in our days.
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try to contact a (former)member of this forum,his name is Neal Jackson,from the UK and as far as i remember,he was in this business.
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Gerd,
I have a good feeling the number we are trying hard to make out is a 6
Maybe Paul can take another photo in darker light as i think that photo is too bright & washes out the number a good bit.
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So close and so far still. Good luck in this research !!!
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Paul,
Please take another picture of the RZM line on that tag and send it to me. I have some software that might just bring that writing back. THAT would sold a mystery.
Thanks
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Ok Dave here are the images taken in various lighting. I'm 99% sure that Gerd is correct M7/6. If you need me to email you the files just ask. BTW, it's easier to see from back far than close up! Hey I think we just solved a years long mystery on this maker. Cool. 
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Tom J. and I bought 6 tagged M7/13 HJ Knives just like yours from an old collection in NY from a long time collector who vet purchased them directly. All M7/13s and no mottos.
Also, in one of my first motel buys, a vet came in with 12 SA RZM M7/13s in new condition he pulled out of a store in Germany in May of 45. Evidently M7/13 was one of the larger makers of party daggers.
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Hi Paul, i think we got it! Here is a final pic. M 7/6Thanks to my friend Stefan! Regards, Gerd
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I would guess maybe M7/3 ??
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I sure doesn't look like a 6 to me either. 
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Yea, but you're drinking beer!!!
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I would guess maybe M7/3 ??
Kuno Ritter Dave, In these black & white photos it sure now looks like a 3Do any others agree ?? Regards Mac 66
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One thing is certain though, it ain't a 6, unless I've been drinking too much.
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From both pics,Pauls and mine it looks like 6. From Dave's it looks like3. But i'm sure we'll find out in a short time,because one of these made it. Gerd Dave,are you a former forensic? 
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Well I still think it's a 6 but have sent some further images off for analysis...
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for me is a 9
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My goodness, some see it as a 6, others as a 9 and me as a 3, where will it end. I think I'm starting to see an 8. So far away from a definite answer and yet, so close from the goal.
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But sure makes for interesting discussion.
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Paul, Its not a 6,3 or 8, Definitely Number 9 for sure going by your new photo for maker SMF Regards Mac 66.
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