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The second Forestry dagger is a variant of pattern no 36.

It is a stag gripped dagger with a stag on the clamshell and with a standing deer closest to the crossguard. The actual 36 pattern etch is the same as on the one above, pattern 26, so that you can see that this is a variation on that pattern.

It has the 35-41 seated squirrel TM.

Both of these daggers came from Baz69... thank you, Gary.

John

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Obverse Etch.JPG (40.88 KB, 470 downloads)
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John, two very appealing hunting daggers. As ever when you show one in brilliant condition. I have to admit that, without seeing the TM, I would have put the second one in the pre 33 section. For me it is very interesting to see that these more private looking hunting daggers were also manufactured this way during 33-45.
Your thread is a remarkable comprehensive of EICKHORN´s hunting edged weapons as are your daggers themselves.
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I had a chance to upgrade my pattern No 1189.

This pattern is a Forestry Cutlass, with a scallop clamshell, deer closest to the crossguard, stag grips and the 35-41 seated squirrel TM.

It is in simply stunning shape and comes with a frog and an Eickhor tag (with the paper insert.

I amy have to go to two posts to show it all to you in its glory.

Thank you, Bill Warda, for giving me the opportunity to acquire this beauty.

John

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Obverse Grip.JPG (39.82 KB, 409 downloads)
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More.

Sweet, n'est-ce pas?

John

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This is the piece John,

Absolutely stunning. As said before, I had the honor of checking this fine piece out on a previous trip to Bill's, and although you take some beautiful pictures John, there is no exception for a hands on inspection. What a beauty. I think I read somewhere you liked Eickhorns.grin

Thanks for showing and refreshing my mind of a great trip to Bills.

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John,

Very nice and congratulations on adding the finest daggers out there to your already amazing collection.

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Superb addition to an outstanding collection-your a lucky guy John-Congratulations

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John

Now that's what I cal a hirschfänger, a fantastic looking piece and I'm assuming it could not be upgraded, you really have the best of the best, congratulations.

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John, I don't think it could be better, congrats


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John Z,

Glad you're enjoying the Hirschfänger now, it's a pleasure helping you add to your fine collection. Still have my eye open for a good clean Eickhorn Standhauer. (1720 1056) Eventually we'll find one of those for you too ... wink

Appreciate seeing all the goodies from your world-class collection that you post for us. I hope it will inspire our younger collecting friends to surpass us by leaps and bounds!

Many thanks!

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Here is one of two Forestry pieces that I picked up at this year's MAX show (thank you, again Baz69).

It is a Sr Forestry cutlass (with ivory coloured grips)with the golden acorns on the grip plates. It is a pattern not found in the 1938 catalogue, but I did show the Jr version of this (with stag grips) on page 1 of this thread.

It has the hunter in the etch closest to the crossguard and sports the late 42 over shoulder squirrel TM.

A thing of beauty indeed.

John

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Obverse Etch.JPG (39.4 KB, 567 downloads)
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John,

A real beauty and congratulations. It's always a pleasure seeing your latest treasures.When you get some time I'm sure all of us would enjoy seeing your other find as well.

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Yes,that's a beauty as always,congratulation my friend


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Very nice dagger with this late trademark which I personally do like very much. It is amazing how EICKHORN did hold quality even during the late years.
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And, here is the second one that I came back with from the MAX. It is a model that is not in the 1938 catalogue nor in the 1932 Waldmannswaffen from Eickhorn. Somewhere around 1936, Eickhorn stopped making Forestry daggers with attached skinning knives (at least for regular orders).

This model sports the pre 1935 double oval TM.

Two reasons for me to acquire this were the blade and the attached skinning knife.

John

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I found this just before the MAX, but it did not arrive until this week.

It is an early (double oval serrated tail with CE Eickhorn squirrel marked) longer blade.

Several unique, to me, features of this dagger are the pommel, the clamshell, the scabbard tip and the etch.

I have three of these Eickhorn etches with the standing stag over the words 'Ges. Geschutz'.

First the dagger.

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The Etches, first group is the obverse, then the reverse etches.

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I have three of these etch patterns.. the ones with the standing stag over 'Ges. Geschutz'.

One scallop and two other clamshells. Two have the 35-41 seated squirrel TM and this last one has the double oval serrated tail mark.

John

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Man! JohnZ, the first hunting dagger you show here (the one with the cloverleaf formed clamshell) is obviously the one I was looking for in my recent thread "Question for the experts here". In the photograph it is only missing the crossguard but pommel, clamshell and lower scabbard fitting do fit imho 100%.

Nice hunting daggers you have! Thank you for showing.

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Thanks to Bill Warda, who first pointed me to this on e-ban, then helped me acquire it when the seller refused to sell to the Great White North, this is my second Forestry dagger with a skinner.

It has the double oval serrated tail with no CE Eickhorn TM and the fairly standard deer, hunter etch on the obverse with the dogs, boar and hunter on the other.

The pictures kinda ********, sorry, gut I have to show it to you anyway.

John

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Reverse.JPG (39.97 KB, 325 downloads)
Obverse Etch Mid.JPG (39.42 KB, 321 downloads)
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I now have two double oval serrated tail versions of the Eickhorn Forestry daggers, both with skinners.

One has the TM with CE and the other not.

Here they are:

John

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Obverse Two.JPG (38.59 KB, 370 downloads)
Obverse Grip.JPG (39.24 KB, 369 downloads)
Reverse Grip.JPG (38.32 KB, 369 downloads)
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Here are better shots of the dagger and the etches.

John

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Reverse1.JPG (38.62 KB, 357 downloads)
Obverse Etch.JPG (38.46 KB, 360 downloads)
Obverse Etch Front.JPG (38.15 KB, 356 downloads)
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Beautiful pieces John,congrats

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Very nice Hirschfangers and nice to see the skinners intact. You have one heck of a nice collection.

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John,

wink

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Nice stuff John, anything that still has it's original skinning knife is in my opinion rare to find, congratulations on you continuing to find such lovely examples of forestry daggers.
Got one of these? this one a nice early shooting association dagger.

Gary

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Thanks, guys.

Gary, the only shooting association dagger by Eickhorn that I have is the later one with the white grip that cracks so very easily. I remember buying it from you and so carefully taking the grip home with me separate from the dagger.

John

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Nice shooter John!


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John

I remember that one,since then I think I have only ever seen one other shooting association dagger without a cracked grip.You got some beautiful stuff. I'm going to be bringing this early shooting piece with me to the SOS along with another surprise if you are interested.

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Gee, Gary, I am always interested in Eickhorn items.

See you at the show.

John


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Here is my shooting assc.
Sorry John its only a Klaas.
No cracks in the grip

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I remember that one as well.

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Hope you do my friend-and hope you come back from SOS with more goodies!
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Paul:

Great Klaas. I guess that came via Gary, as well.

Gary seems to be the dealer that satisfies our hunting, forestry addiction. thank you, Gary.

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Ill second that!
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Gary brought to the SOS two Eickhorn Shooting Association daggers. When I saw them, I knew that I had to have both.

This one is about the same size as the white gripped shooting dagger that is pattern 1781 in the 1938 catalogue. But, it has stag grips, acorns in the hilt and a double oval serrated tail TM.

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The second shooting association dagger has the 35-41 seated squirrel TM, definitely making it of TR era production. But, this, too, has stag grips, the shooting association clamshell and the acorns in the hilt.

What makes this dagger unique though is its smaller size. It is about 3/4 the size of the above dagger or the 1781 pattern with the white grip.

The last pictures shows the two stag gripped shooters side by side to highlight the size difference.

And, yes, I did have a pretty good SOS, thanks to my friends, like Gary and Eric and Joe.

John

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I saw this Sr Forestry dagger at the SOS, but waited until some time after the show to finally decide to try and get it.

I already had a very nice No 1713 pattern forestry and it had the 42 over shoulde Eickhorn trademark, so it was a tough call to replace it with this one.

Two reasons for the decision:

1 - this one is in slightly better condition. Actually, the only thing I can find fault with is that it has a couple of small dings in the back of the lower scabbard fitting.

2 - it has a distributor mark that I have never seen before, and unlike most of such marks, this is on the obvers and under the clamshell instead of on the spine.

So, here it is,

John

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This 1713 is very interesting as it does proof that the sistributor´s mark has had to be set before final assemblance, so EICKHORN did have this stamp in house.
Nice condition.
Otherwise, I personally would not have let go the one with the 41- trademark...
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What is really interesting about this piece is that Cottbus was the only known distributor of Eickhorn Forestry and Hunting pieces, this is the first Eickhorn I have ever seen with a different distributor. A great find and one in it's own way is very rare.

Gary

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