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This may be a trivial question, but were all enlisted men eligible to receive an army dagger or was it officers only? If so what was the lowest rank to receive the dagger?....Thanks
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Dave it was for officers only � lowest rank would be lieutenant. The higher NCO ranks were permitted to carry the officer sword but not the dagger to my knowledge.
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Good info......I have recently received an army Gustav Spitzer from a friend. Sparked my interest....Thanks and Best Reguards Dave
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Agree with Tom, I have never seen a picture of a Army NCO wearing a Heer dagger. The Luftwaffe officers dagger was different, I have seen many pics of senior NCO's wearing them! Kevin.
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No, there have been "lower" ranks under specific conditions (eg Oberf�hnrich, Unter�rzte and other equal ranks but with officer�s exam) which were allowed to wear the dagger - only with the walk out dress.
This all is well dokumented by a lot of weearing photographs from the period.
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wotan, gd.c-b#105
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Samples.
Regards,
1.JPG (31.7 KB, 146 downloads) 2.JPG (36.38 KB, 147 downloads)
wotan, gd.c-b#105
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Forgot to mention: Officers (and the other authorized) did not "receive" their dagger but they had to buy one for themself.
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wotan, gd.c-b#105
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Wotan I stand corrected thanks for that information.
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Never been so glad to be corrected! Now I have hope for an NCO uniform display including my favorite dagger!  Kevin.
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heers68, but your uniform display has to have officer�s exam and has to be a walkout dress. When you study these photographs (and I have several of them) they do wear officer�s uniform with all officer�s attributes (eagle, collar tabs) and an officer�s visor (!) but (still) only the Oberf�hnrich shoulder boards. Keep in mind that these persons have had already officer�s exam but still did not get an officer�s post, were still not an appointed officer which was an administrative act. I think this state between was a rather short period of these men and in general these pics are not common although I do own some of them. Obviously they were so proud to have passed the exam so they did the photograph immediately even before they became appointed lieutenant. Regards,
wotan, gd.c-b#105
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Thanks for the details Wotan, like to build a display like that, a very interesting and as you say, briefly used uniform combination! Kevin.
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Wotan,
great info, very useful. Thank you very much!
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