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#293197 12/24/2013 10:35 PM
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Just a show and tell here to add. And an end to a year. I was not able to add a new one this year. I hope I can add two more next year and a little $. Maybe this post will bring me a little luck in the new year, And I hope all of you the best of luck finding what you have been always been looking for.

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One is an R F V the other in marked RJ ..

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This one is a 9 m/m short AKA 380,, BMR.

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And last a SS RSHA,
Two of these I've never posted, I hope some of you enjoy the little Walters too.

I do want to wish all of you a very good Christmas and happy new year,

Steve,

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Outstanding ! Thanks so much for showing.

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hi steve
wow a very nice collection of scarce and rare walther model pp pistols great to see the different designated walther pistols. especially the rare to find ss walther pistol. last year i picked up a very rare walther pistol marked on the right side of the slide C.P.B. this one is hard to figure out i have never seen this abrivation beforeon a walther pp and believe me i had many lugers/walthers/p-38s/mausers of all kinds thru my 50 some odd year in this wonderfull hobby i am a dying breed getting old . i have been in contact with one of the best walther collectors around jow watka if he doesnt bknow what it means then we will have to go to the arcives . i will show him this pistol at the sos show in february and discuss it i only took a guess as to what C.P.B. meant and my own opinion i thought it meant criminal police berlin it is a very early numbered walther pp perhaps its criminal police berlin or perhaps a bank guard i will discuss it with joe we never say never in this hobby and learn something new every day god bless all happy new year andy militarynut

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Hi Steve, Thanks for showing your fine "litter" of PP's. These little guys are fascinating to study; research; AND collect.

Andy, I suspect your C.P.B. piece is not Criminal Police Berlin, as the German word for criminal begins with a "K", not a "C". Sorry I can't shed any more info on it. Do you think it is possible it might have been stamped post war? These pistols were very popular with European police and military in the late 40's & 50's. So, in the absence of documentation, we would have to consider this may possibly be a non-NS period marking....
If you bring it to the SOS, I'd love to see it.

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hi denny
members i made a error its a ppk not a pp thanks for your post denny on my early walther ppk yes i discussed this fact with joe watka according to dieter marshalls book on earl serial numbered walther ppk s he says early numbered ppk s with C.P.B. on the right side of the slide was Criminal Police Berlin then in later years the walther firm used K for kriminal police im sorry i dont have dieters book at the moment then another point was that the germans were starting to replaceing bank guards pistols from those big clumsy 1800 s revolvers with big bores to walther ppk s and marked as such to this large bank in berlin still a lot of researching to do . i promised joe watka that i will show him this walther pistol first if you or any one wishes to see this walther or the rest of my outher treasure pistols please stop by it would be my pleasure to meet all our members and chat about this wonderfull hobby after all we are the keepers of this great military history best andy militarynut

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Thanks all for the kind words.

Andy that type would be a nice one to add someday. are the sites painted on yours and mag numbered like the bank panographed ones?

I'm still on the hunt for a D R P, PDM, panographed bank PP and more than a few others smile I like the odd ones.

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hi steve
this ppk came with a black holster akah marked two clips not numbered the slide is not painted neither is the walther logo painted the over all condition of the pistol retains high 95 percent original blueing if i decide to sell it joe will be first and kris my dear friend will be second he buys me coffee at the max and sos show for the last 10 years . i have one more odd ball mauser pistols most of these are at bottom of the atlantic ocean 1934 hump back mauser 32 auto LARGE Eagle M marked high blued holster and two clips holster is not Eagle marked to bad but still happy to find one these third reich Navy pistols are as scarce as hens teeth and hens dont have any teeth ps i wqill try and send you guys some photos when i get back home from christmas family holidays best andy militarynut

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I hope everyone had a Blessed Christmas and that a Happy New Year will follow.

Those are some very nice Walthers Steve. Congradulations on your growing collection. The RFV PP is very nice. It is a little known fact, that in 1935 the RFV supplied a limited number of their Walther PPs to the newly formed SS-Higa (Hilfsgrenzschutz) units assisting with border control. A fascinating Walther pistol that does not get much play are those PPKs with the "W" suffix. Produced in 1939, this small odd production run in the late 180,000 and 190,000 range features a "W" suffix instead of the usual "K". Dieter Marschall theorized that the production was early Wehrmacht contract, but of course the individual branches purchased their own weapons and why wouldn't a WaA be found? The change occurred at approximately the time that Walther began a revamped serial arrangement. A variety of suffixes were introduced for different models in order to simplify the serial numbering system. Was this "W" PPK a special contract or simply an error in application of the suffix? More research is necessary.

Dieter proposed the Criminal Polizei Berlin explanation for the C.P.B. marked PPKs and prefaced his theory with the note that the letter C and K were interchangeable into the early 1930s. A marking by the Berlin Police in the time frame of the production of these pistols would have had to follow either the 1932 Prussian Police Orders of Marking. All weapons of the Kriminalpolzei of Berlin would have to be marked "K.B.". And if the markings were pre-1932, they would reflect earlier Berlin Detective Police markings which were P.P.B.IV. The most logical theory for a meaning to C.P.B. is "Commerz-und Privat Bank", a very large regional bank in the 1930s that is still in existence today as Commerz-Bank.

Looking forward to greeting you at the SOS Andy.


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Andy if like to post pics of it here its fine with me. I had a chance to look for and old post I had seen on these on the Walther forum. I'll post a link here, Dieter posted some of his info there. Hope it helps you a little.

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Thanks for the added info Joe. You just got in ahead of my reply.


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Steve, I had left the PP/PPK forum in August 2010 and thus was not able to add the comments above to that particular thread that you posted. I would still stand by my comments and belief that there is no way the marking would indicate Detective Police Berlin. At the time of the manufacture of the C.P.B. guns, the Prussian police were not purchasing Walther products. It seems most new pistols were from Sauer out of Suhl, a Prussian manufacturer.


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hi joe/steve
members merry christmas happy new year hope all had a nice christmas . i am still in new york till monday then back to the sand pile florida 80 deg i will dig out and get pictures for you guys well you guys steve/joe watka with out you guys and your vast knowledge us guys here on the forum would be kind of lost with out your knowledge period. im just the hunter in this cituation finding these odd ball walthers /lugers/p-38s /mausers etc. speaking of rareity i have i think is a 140 code p-38 i hope this is the right code im sorry my memory is getting kind of fuzzy lately please correct me if im wrong. ok guys have a happy new year good lord willing we all will be there at the greatest military show in kentucky in february 2014 best andy militarynut

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hi joe
just was noticed at the bottom of your post and you are 1,000 percent correct your words this hobby is a continuing education . reminds me when my friend don boyle ss honor ring man found a ss ring dated 1933 with roman numerals. like the one that member creed had to obersgruppenfuhrer swarz with the diamond in place of the skull the skull fell off so the jeweler did this on his own oh my lord help me im falling. well any way a collector came up to don boyles table saying don was full of donkey poop and didnt know what the hell he was saying that there was no such thing as a ss honor ring dated 1933 with roman numerals the following year don boyle produced proof with a himmler signed letter direct from der reichsfuhrer to the gahr firm who made the honor rings letter dated 1933 indicating to make another 1933 ring with roman numerals . so this is proof of your words joe we all must never say never in this hobby we learn something new every day i did learn something when i bought this rare walther ppk pistol . i never seen anything like this marked C.P.B. in my over 50 years in this great hobby many thanks guys andy militarynut

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Walther PPK with slide marking's C.P.B. posted for Andy.

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Mauser Kreigmarine eagle M posted for Andy.

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Thanks Vern for posting pic's for Andy,
Just outstanding what some of you all have tucked away . It always makes me what to add one more. Thanks all ,,


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hi vern
thanks much for helping my bride to get these photos on the forum . first one a rare to find walther ppk with slide markings C.P.B. in very high 95 percent or better condition came with two clips and this black colored d.r.g.m. akah marked holster . steve c sent me a link that dieter marshall wrote about this rare walther but in order for me to look i have to be a member of that forum to view that information thanks any way steve the second pistol is a rare to find kreigsmarine eagle -M mauser most of these pistols are in subs in the bottom of the atlantic nice clear markings on this mauser this came with two clips and a tan holster that has no markings at all sure would have liked to see a eagle M on holster but cant have every thing i am very happy to have these rare birds please enjoy all coments and opinions are well come . if any one attands this years sos show in february and would like to view these fine pistols it would be my pleasure to show them to you thanks god bless all . andy militarynut

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Andy,
Join the forum Steve pointed you to. It doesn't cost anything and is a great forum. The thread on the CPB guns shows pictures of one that is only 4 numbers away from yours!
http://p38forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22919&highlight=CPB.


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hi denny
i will have my bride sign me up on this forum later thanks to you and steve for pointing this out to me best andy militarynut

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hi members
well i see that there is very little intrest on the firearms forum since i posted a few nice third reich pistols very sad thought there would be a few more intrested members and questions i might have been able to answer for them nada . i was going to show a few outher rareity third reich pistols but decided not to because of no intrest i refuse to beat a dead horse so i will take them to sos show in february if any one cares to stop and say hello to me and my bride eileen i will gladly show you what i have and proud to own such rareity god bless all andy militarynut

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Sorry you feel that way Andy. I admit the lack of response on some posts does get discouraging, but the purpose is to put the info out there for people. We have discussed your C.P.B. PPK before and there is not much more to add. I did notice that both my ratty condition C.P.B. PPK and my Reichsbank marked PPK are both in the mid 763 xxx range, actually within a few hundred of each other. What was good for the Reichsbank (the most advanced semi-auto pistol available) had to be good enough for other banks to order during this time of civil unrest in Germany. So the Commerz-und Privat Bank ordered a number for their security guards in various German cities. C.P.B. was a very large bank and survived the war, operating today as Commerz-Bank. I contacted their archive department and while they could not comment on the marking, they did admit that private banks at that time in Germany did arm their own guard establishment.

I really cannot comment on your KM pistol Andy. It is a beautiful piece. I am sure you will find a KM marked holster out their somewhere if you look hard enough.


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hi joe
thanks for your post concerning the walther ppk marked C.P.B. your information you gave me before me posting pictures of the walther was good enough information for me . i didnt expect any more as not many people know what they represent . i just thought by posting something unusual like these two rare pistols that it would have drawn more intrest but it didnt boo hoo no biggie . i just love to show members here and else whwere who never seen any thing like these pistols but it would be nice for them to say something maybe the cat got thier tongue who knows ok thanks again see you at the greatest military show on earth sos kentucky best andy militarynut

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Here are my 2 Walthers. First is a Heer marked with 44 dated holster & 2 flat bottom mags. Second is an RZM with AKAH/DRGM holster & one flat bottom mag and oen with finger extension.
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I'll throw up a pair in the 196xxx range. Typical crown N proof examples but with silver tip hollow points, they make a great backup piece wink

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Very nice Walthers shown here. Thank you. Here is an interesting PPK. Often called the Party Leader as it is fitted with the grips bearing the party insignia, though we know that the RZM PPKs were also Party Leader guns. This one is interesting as it was one of ten PPKs awarded to contestants in the Gau Franken Shooting Contest held in June 1939 who were selected to compete in the National Party Day Games Shooting Contest to be held the coming September 1939.

Well we all know what happened. WWII started and of course the games were cancelled. The winners went home with their prizes. There is no question that these pistols are true Party Leader PPKs, as the inscription describes the event that was open only to those Party Leaders possessing sidearms amd qualified to shoot the same. At least two PPKs have been identified in this range of ten guns. Ten guns were also issued for the 1938 shooting match in Gau Franken.



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Very nice!


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hi ron/vern /joe
you guys are killing me wow great dynimite pieces joe killer cased party leaders walther thanks to every one of you guys showing us guys the best of the best god bless . vern question please am i right in saying that you show a berretta clip next to the walther and those silver tiped bullets you show at one time in 1950 belonged to the lone ranger when tonto finds out you have komasavis bullets i wouldnt want to be around when you have an arrow fly past you joe i feel a lot better now thanks to all you guys best andy militarynut

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Actually, the clip is for a Walther. It just has a Beretta finger rest bottom piece. The Beretta bottom slides right onto the Walther mag and gives a good grip for a carry gun or target shooting. You just depress the center button on the flat bottom Walther mag, slide the bottom off, and slide the Beretta bottom on. Keep the flat Walther bottom in case you want to change it back to original later. Winchester makes the silver tip hollow point ammo. It has about the best shock effect for a 7.65mm round. I've used it for many years and surprised the heck out of people by knocking down bowling pins with a 7.65mm PPK. With the light recoil of the PPK, I could clear a rack faster than most shooters with their big bore handguns. Rumor has it that the Lone Ranger used Winchester ammo also wink


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hi vern
yes i thought that clip bottom looked different like a beretta my eyes are still sharp for an old coot even though pvon says im blind in one eye and cant see in the outher thanks for showing your dynimite pistols have a nice day andy militarynut

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Mine are fairly common compared to the other beauties in this thread wink Rare and interesting pieces indeed!


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Wow,,, you guys have some killer walthers.

I like to thank you all for the posts, pics, and the added info

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Gents,

I thought I would present a circa 1966 Walther Model PP 7,65mm police pistol. This pistol is property marked to the Rheinland-Pfalz Polizei and was carried by West German uniformed policemen. The pistol was made by Walther in 1966 in Ulm/Do to the same specifications as the wartime Polizei Pistole. It has commercial (not military) proofs, two proper magazines (one with the plastic finger rest), and a period holster.

The pistol is shown with two examples of Rheinland-Pfalz police uniforms. Both are NCOs with one orange piped for the rural Gendarmerie and the other green piped for the municipal Schutzpolizei. The 7,65 ammunition is period Geco FMJ.

I collect German Police firearms from roughly 1900 - 1990.

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Wonderful display George.

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Very nice display!


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Commercial Walther PP and PPK pistols came in a cardboard box which included a spare magazine, an owner's manual, a cleaning rod and cleaning kit, and 3 dummy cartridges. This is a set from 1939. Anyone else want to share?




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I thought I would add another member of the Walther PP family that I picked up recently.

This is a circa 1975 example of the Walther PP-Super in Cal.9x18 Ultra/Police. This is the revamped PP (Polizei Pistole) made at the request of the German Police for a caliber somewhere between the 9mm Kurtz and the 9mm Parabelum. It did not last long and while the cartridge was first developed for the Luftwaffe in 1938, it was resurected for the PP-Super which was made between 1972-1979 then discontinued by Walther.

This is a boxed example that is property marked to the Rheinland-Pflaz Polizei on the right trigger guard.

My Christmas present to myself this year. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.

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