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#28948 12/07/2009 09:11 PM
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Hi, have someone a RAD Leader by Puma and can post some Pictures pleas?? Greetings

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No one here is owner of a PUMA RAD Leader or have pictures??

Greetings Rieny

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Don't know if Puma ever made those but I've never seen one by this maker. Confused

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I think they made, i had found one in an Auction in Germany and bought it. Wotan said its an original one, but i cant find any other...

Greetings Rieny

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Pictures would help identify and judge it.


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#28953 12/09/2009 03:28 PM
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Ok here are some pictures. I dont have any reason to question originality i only want to see another one to compare with....

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#28958 12/09/2009 03:31 PM
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Nice Patination allover.....

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#28959 12/09/2009 03:33 PM
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Complete blackening of the etched motto....etch is deep and had sharp edges. never polished or something.

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#28961 12/09/2009 03:35 PM
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Nice...

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#28963 12/09/2009 03:36 PM
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,.,

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maker mark, also etched and looks good for me.

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Beautiful specimen and 100% original of course.
Never seen a RAD Leader produced by Puma before, a keeper for sure. Wink

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Thats the problem, i have never seen one by PUMA and can't find another one! ;-))))

You know its allways better to have something to compare with.

Hope someone opens his "box of pandora" and shows another one.

Greetings

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You proably won't see another for some time as this maker is rare to this dagger ! By the way as you already know it's a beauty Eek

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That is the first I've seen by Puma.
Sometimes that is all you will ever see.

Just goes to show the high "attrition rate" that our hobby has suffered through.
Since we can safely assume this being a production item, that Puma just didn't make one or a handful.
So where are the rest? Confused
It appears that the records of Puma did not survive the war.

There was only one or two Puma's found on a SS dagger. Dave H. has one of those.

Wonderful score there complete with nice hangers. -Congrats! Cool

-serge-

#28970 12/10/2009 06:16 AM
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Serge, the hanger is real nice and stamped with A for Assmann (Producer) but not complete, i am looking for the small clip of this hangers.

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Ciao Rieny,
It΄s a real beauty, I never see also a RAD leader with marker Puma before.

regards

Winfried

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Rarity wise, thats just got to be 'Top Trump'!!!
Beautiful

Paul


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#28973 12/24/2009 02:02 AM
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If someone have an upper clip for the hanger, pleas contact me.

Thanks for all opinions and a merry christmas to you!

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quote:
Originally posted by rieny:
Thats the problem, i have never seen one by PUMA and can't find another one! ;-))))

You know its allways better to have something to compare with.

Hope someone opens his "box of pandora" and shows another one.

Greetings


Problem? Not the way I see it - you have a rare beautiful conditioned dagger congratulations


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Hello,

Just to say I've find a Puma RAD leader dagger too. Here are photo of the seller. It's in a local vet son collection.
I haven't see other anywhere by Puma.

Opinion please.

JC

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rieny #346301 04/07/2020 03:25 PM
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Hey, everybody.
Dear colleagues, I apologize for my English and for bringing up the topic of ten years ago.
The point of my question is, did anyone else have this manufacturer?
In this book, Fisher.R.& R.NS Dagger Maker Trademarks, this manufacturer is not listed as such what these daggers were made.
This dealer has a Unter.
http://www.johnsonreferencebooks.com/shop/third-reich-rad-em-hewer-30218/
Can someone explain how that can happen?
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Vitaly


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rieny #346308 04/07/2020 09:47 PM
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Hello alien, as in all books, which can be very helpful, there are also mistakes inside. PUMA is a well known maker for RAD Unterfuehrer- and Mannschaftshauer (and also leader hewers). I do have several in my files.
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Hello wotan,
Thank you for the answer. Could you show me some more pictures of this manufacturer. I'd really appreciate it.
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Vitaly


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rieny #346324 04/08/2020 12:34 PM
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Here we go.

Regards,

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rieny #346325 04/08/2020 12:36 PM
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The PUMAs, as some others, always did come without the RADL triangle mark but are without any doubt period done.
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rieny #346327 04/08/2020 03:28 PM
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Beautiful Puma example Wotan. Odd how this and some others (CJ Krebs comes to mind) didn't have the RAD triangle.


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If we?re looking at unusual makers this one must be on the list


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Very nice, Paul.

2-3 years ago Brian Maederer had an all-aluminum RAD leader ... except for the blade, grip plates, screws and maybe a scabbard spring.

Dave

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I remember someone maybe 10 years ago, might have been Johnny V., had a Holler RAD Leader that had ivory grip plates. That's something I haven't seen before or since.


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Hello gents, I have seen the obove mentioned makers and even more eg. A.EVERTZ, KARL TIEGEL, VOOS, P.WEYERSBERG, KRONECK (WITTE), ANTON WINGEN Jr. They are all nice, collectible and seldom to see but -for collector s heavens sake- who want to collect RAD leaders per makermark??? In 99,9% the fittings and scabbards are from only two manufacturers and only the various mms do add a nice feature. And don t mix up leader hewers and men/NCO hewers because not each mm which can be found on leader hewers can be found on men/NCO hewers and vice versa.
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