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a bit of a weird topic but.. For photos of soldiers that looks like real winners as far as rings in wear but,,,but a near miss. Sometimes a lot of money gets spent on these photos the sellers say "you can see the ring fine"
An example,,,a nice photo bought. Clear, in focus, should be fine close up of the ring when scanned!
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I was thinking,,Hhmmm, maybe a Luft ring of some sort,,Flak! yes!! OR, the holy grail the Gegen England ring!!!
Well, interesting,, but nothing, no ID, a near miss.......
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Here is another I was going to get. Lucky the seller was honest and said 'you just can't make it out',,looked like it had potential,,but a near miss.
It is amazing when you really look how many photos the men are wearing a ring or 2. IF you have any near miss photos please, post away.....
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Gaspare, I do own about 1500 "wearing edged weapons of the IIIR" photographs. There are a lot "wearing ring" photographs between them. often unidentifyable. You already got a few "wearing ring" photograph scans from me with identifyable rings, eg a clear Westwall ring. In the meanwhile I got some additional photographs, eg. a nice identifyable Luft ring. The photographs are not cheap. I have bought them from the net, from ebay and from private collections which mainly were disolved. So it is always a pity for me seeing one of my pics for which I have payed good money anywhere shown in the net.... (btw, the second pic above I have bought ...... and I would not say that the rings are not identifyable for a specialist) therefore I have totally chancelled to show any or even parts of my best paid pics. Personally I would think that a lot of -in photographs- shown rings are identifyable. But mostly of them are simple, smooth wedding rings, often "seal" rings with a stone, nothing special for identification for ring collectors. But on rare occasions the ring might be interesting and real clear to be identified like the already mentioned luft ring in one of my pics. Best regards,
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Oh man I'm sorry! , I took it off the auction site not too long ago.. Well now I guess I can add: Photo credit 'Wotan'.
Yes you have many good photos! Seems daggers come out really nice and clear in most photos. I also collect Wolchowstock and they usually come out pretty clear also!
Watches, rings,not so good. Worst is probably cufflinks, don't think I've seen one photo where they are identifiable.
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Gaspare, doesnīt matter, you couldnīt know. My photographic skills are bad so is the detail but I am nearly sure that a ring collector could identify the rings. The left ring seems to be a metal ring with plain (or perhaps a monogram which cannot be seen because of the light) surface, the right ring Looks like a relatively simple, patially drilled ring.
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Another photograph with an oval ring with flat dark stone. And a ring with an obviously transparent stone.
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Two photographs with death head honor rings. One even in the pic to recognize, the second one due to my bad pic not but with a loupe you can clearly see it (together with a wedding ring - btw the honor ring is the left one of the two rings). And be sure these rings are no fakes but originals .
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After checking a lot of my photographs I have to say that you ARE RIGHT, a lot of rings is NOT identifyable. Also I cannot understand this. The pebbling of a button cann be seen clearly but a ring beneath this button canNOT be identified because blurry... But it is this way. Another fact that you donīt see rings in a lot of pics is that due to regulations the men often wore gloves when taking official photographs. Finally, if there are enough pics several rings can be seen and identified. Regards,
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Many thanks for sharing your pics with us! Very interesting. But on the first pic of the last 2 ones i think thats a private purchase skull ring
ïŋ―Eine gewalttïŋ―tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Zïŋ―rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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odal, you are right just from the small detail pic shown here, but that is the pity with my photographic skills. In real, with a loupe, you can see the honor ring very clear (itīs the same with the second photograph). Additionally I know the name of the man and unit and due to his rank in the photograph and the knowledge that he has gotten the honor ring some time earlier it is also clear that he is wearing his honor ring with pride (as he also shows his honor degen - which he has also gotten - proudly in the photograph). Regards,
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Oh-sorry. Yes, always hard with scans... Thanks for explaining!
ïŋ―Eine gewalttïŋ―tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Zïŋ―rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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odal, here is another scan of another photograph of the same man. I think in this scan the honor ring is better to be seen.
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Here is a seal ring with something inside the black stone. On the original photograph, with a loupe, it looks like a diamond inside.
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Two private puchased deathīs head rings.
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And three more rings with dark flat stones. Regards,
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odal, here is another scan of another photograph of the same man. I think in this scan the honor ring is better to be seen. Thanks for showing. Yes, without doubt a honor ring.
ïŋ―Eine gewalttïŋ―tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Zïŋ―rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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Two private puchased deathīs head rings. the first one Looks like the "skull and sperm" pattern.
ïŋ―Eine gewalttïŋ―tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Zïŋ―rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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nice shots! the shot with what might be a diamond,,,I think it is the black glass ring with the frosted skull in it. A ring that has a long history of before WW1 to current.
something very similar to this:
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@ odal, yes, I thought the same.
@ Gaspare, you can be quite right. I wonder what you experts would find in these pics which are for others the citated "Near Miss"....
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wotan, Nice pictures and thanks for sharing them.
G, Super nice ring! I've seen that ring in red as well and have looked for a in wear picture but no luck.
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Here's another. I was told mine was made of black Onyx. I've seen these around over the years, but I only need one.
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should be glass,,,Usually when still in molten state and starts the cool off period they press a steel skull die in it to leave an impression..
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OH NO guys!!! This wasn't a near miss!! It would have been perfect!! I was the near miss . This was up for auction and I was going to bid and win it! BUT,,I was called out of town and didn't bid before I left [thought I'd be back] Here is the complete shot:
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This went for a little under $60.US!!! I would have went higher for a nice clean shot like this.. This photo would have been much much clearer in hand!!
The close up crop:
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Gaspare, there are a lot of different possibilities for a "near miss"...... I know the feeling for a missed photograph in auction very well! Good luck for the next oportunity. Regards,
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clearing out some files from the PC.. These are from the Military Fundforum:
A nice near miss,,SS man and his bride!,,wonder what that ring is!
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again, photo credit Military Fundforum:
Luft.man,,2 rings,,thought I'd get lucky and see them,,but no, a near miss..
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I was going to bid on these but the rings just weren't clear enough,,,near miss!
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I didn't get this one either,,,but the ring looks like a Italian DAK ring.. IF they aren't really clear they're not for me,,this one is pretty nice though!
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clearing out some space on the ole hard drive,,, These are photos I considered buying but did not.. They are 'Near misses'.. Ring shots but not clear enough to actually see and ID the ring..
First: a nice shot,,but not clear enough,,a near miss,,,
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another.. almost,,but a near miss,,,
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just not clear enough..
disappointing but sometimes fun to look at.. IF you see a near miss come on, put it up..
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Gaspare, I have the Italian DAK ring shown three photos up, so I'd call that one a hit! Would've liked to have had the photo. And the helmeted fellow is certainly wearing a skull ring from the obvious outline. It may be this one. As the crossbones protrude significantly, you can probably narrow it down to 2 or 3 styles. Shame its not a touch clearer.
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just not clear enough..
disappointing but sometimes fun to look at.. IF you see a near miss come on, put it up.. Oh, i think this is a Westwall ring. Glasstone, high left a helmet, diagonal the inscription and bottom right the years. This pattern of stone:
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here a thread on my near-miss pics - the TK is evident of course. I own these photos and I may be able to take better pics since I bought a new and better camera http://phpstack-500133-1583587.cloudwaysapps.com/ubbthread...9420#Post299420
Buying rings, Odal and runic brooches and jewelry and Greifen kunst brooches.
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I had been watching 2 SUPER photos on auction. They were very recognizable, one a skull ring and another a Heer ring. I wanted these photos SO bad!!!,,,but, have a family member sick I've been helping with and for whatever I missed them So,,from now on I'm bidding as hi as I can go from the beginning and then IF someone really wants to outbid my crazy price then they are welcome to it.. This is a photo I at first liked. Had a close up sent but the ring isn't recognizable,,so deleting it off my hard drive and posting here as a near miss!
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,,,And,, here's the close up. you really can't see what it is,,,too bad...
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Tonight I looked at a few thousand German WW2 portrait photos. Took me a couple hours. Looking of course for a ring in wear photo.. Usually here There will be a great photo and what looks like a fantastic ring,,,but no,,,its a near miss.. So really I hate to post here.
To bad,,just a bit clearer and we'd have something.......
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and then we have this.. Interesting photo,,,and I see a nice ring where maybe on close up we can see something,,,,,,
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I cut, cleared up and,,,,, A nice clear shot,,of nothing. A ring but nothing on it Dam,,hate posting here... Remember IF you have a [big] shot and the ring is clear and recognizable,,please send to my email we still have to for me to add it to the project. So all that looking and nothing. Many photos of soldiers wearing rings,,but nothing to be seen clearly/ big enough..
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what a shame with some of these near miss photos.. Full view,,and the close up..
Bet thats a dam interesting ring!!
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Yes, many many photos show the men wearing rings. Doesn't matter what branch I've seen them on all! IF we could just get a better view
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very interesting, many thx for sharing
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here's another one.. A great photo.. Appears he's wearing a DAK ring.. The square ish type,,with the emblems soldered on sides and front
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tried making it bigger,,that didn't work,, tried clearer,,nothing.. Just not enough original focus when taken.. Shame,,would have been a great photo,,,but just another near miss!
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Looks like an Eiffel Tower ring possibly
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Almost hate to make posts on this topic! . Really though when you look you'll see many photos someone in the photo will be wearing a ring.. It's finding the clear shot where the ring is identifiable is VERY hard to find!!
This looks very promising,,,,,,,
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you crop,,play around with a photo editor,,try everything you can,,,,and you still end up with this ,,,, a near miss
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Gaspare, this is a photo of my sales DAK ring
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Cool ring. Palm on the front?
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thats the thing!! just out of focus enough to drive you crazy!! I think it is one of the Italian made,,square front,,with the gold plated emblems on side.. But what are they? we just can;t see ..!
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Great photo! We can see everything,,just can't make out that ring!,, a near miss for sure........
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I believe it to be a dak ring, I have a ring with the same face, but I cannot post a pic, its an arab on a camel
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yeah,,here's another.. when I 1st saw it,,, I thought it had promise.. But the closer I looked,,I knew,,,a near miss! maybe a Krim ring? who knows,,,too much glare, not good enough focus,,dam!!
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- Yes!! saw Snipers photo.. That IS a DAK ring. Can't see exactly. Snipers photo on the page before really shows it best.. Here's 2 more.. Think the photo has been sold but you can always check with him... Great shot,,probably should have gotten it,,another near miss for me! So combine photo on previous page here and these 2 and is's safe to say its a DAK ring..
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I did think this pattern being a postwar fantasy, but it seems I was wrong
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I did think this pattern being a postwar fantasy, but it seems I was wrong
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I did think this pattern being a postwar fantasy, but it seems I was wrong
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RAD soldier and anchor ring. Your opinions on this combination
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Anchor ring!? , you have much better eyes than me my friend!! I can't make that out at all.................
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for those searching photos you must be very careful. What is advertised isn't always what you get...
This guy advertised wearing a skull ring.. anyone see one?? I asked the seller for a better/clearer shot. I moved it around, photo shopped it,,but nothing really to see..
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- - this one I thought stood a chance.. Some you just can't enlarge unless you have the photo in hand.. I did not take a chance on it. Might have been interesting in hand!
A photo guy told me those items at the edges of the photo sometimes depending on how photographed will not be in focus.. Usually for me,,if the ring isn't recognizable without editing in the photo etc. your not going to get a clear image.. Careful with photos guys!
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About being carefully with photos..,Once I ordered on Ebay a vintage inkpot with a nice label.... Having the inkpot in hands, it had a lot more! inkspots on the label !!....they had edited it ; digital removed some inkspots on the ebay-picture :) . Ofcourse, this here is a very obvious example of editing photos . Receiving an edited photo it is a greater problem!
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Benten, you are so right! More and more photos are being played with. This example is very old :
Man standing is the Authentic ,unedited/played with photo.
Woman hanging is the FAKE!
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another old set of played with photos...
My friend from Poland said to be very careful as the newer programs from the last 5 years. The more clear a weird or ring thought to be fantasy is the more likely it is photoshopped or 'morphed'.. To add a ring,,brooch, ribbon bar, award, etc. is very easily done now.
- soldiers with just the geese is the original,,,hanging is the altered..
Paratrooper is a complete fantasy. A modern photo in a old frame...
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this is a a photo I recently missed. 2 min. left to auction,,the photo was inexpensive, no one watching it,,, and I thought I'd win it for sure,, well I didn't dam it! So we have a Luft officer. To me it looks like he's wearing a 'Norge' type ring! Bet a little editing and it would have come up rather good.. Or,, maybe I'm seeing what I want to
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Yes that last one right above I agree with S33.. That is one of the Norge rings.. A bit clearer and could be useful,,,maybe some of the newer equipment [?].. Yeah a topic everyone hates to post in.. I still have a small stack of photos I have to try but really don't have hope in.. My buddy got a new scanner/printer so I retried a photo from this topic. Luft officer and wife... Here it is again,,,,and again,,a near miss,,,nothing to recognize here..
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this plain sucks............. another I had a bit of hope in.. I never pay more for a few dollars for these ... Most do not pan out . Like this one,,KM guy relaxing,,but can't tell what the hell that ring is... ...
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last one for today... Nice little family..
Thought maybe that ring could be something recognizable,,,but no....
In wear photos are hard to find.. Photos back then focused differently.... I'll sometimes sit an hour,, hour and half going thru photo after photo after photo... Every once in a while a winner.. But they are few and far between....... this,,another near miss..
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No digital photography back then. High definition resolution is probably impossible, regardless of your technology. I imagine the best bet is if there's an original close-up pic from the war.
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Gaspare, this nice family picture is probably taken at the photographerâs studio with a nice bench and neutral background. I also have made this picture darker, lighter and tried some more settings ; even upsite down can sometimes give a better vieuw For me, the soldierâs ring and the wifeâs necklace are not clear enough for determination . It is a well composed photo . Stephen, I agree, the pictures then have to be taken sharp, with those cameraâs . I remember in the sixties, it was always a gamble when I got back my pictures from the photographer, were they sharp or not?! Even when some were blurry I still had to pay for them all
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A picture that fits in this topic. Not clear, but may be it is a high spiral- Westwall ring ?
This picture shows a soldier in a bunker; a fragment of a Westwall documentary; title free translated: "From NS-stronghold to green strip-nature."
Also nice to see are the daily items as the long toothbrush and quality shaving brush.
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Nice shot Benten,,,, Yeah that looks like a high spiral type WW.
Benten,,on your scanner. Preview the shot. Then crop down to just the hand. Then put setting on 1200dpi... Some only go to 600dpi,,but worth the chance.. The go to edit program and enlarge to 200% , 300% etc...and see if you get anything.... I played around with your photo a bit :
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Well heres a photo I'm clearing off my drive.... When I first saw it I thought for sure something was there! But after some cropping, editing etc,,,,its just ,another near miss - But a real nice signet ring he got himself!
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A near miss indeed G. But a very nice picture with signet ring! The band is wide.
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