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You guys all know that I collect Eickhorns.

Well, I also collect Eickhorn M=maker mark variations on SAs and NSKKs (to me the two are the same...the blade is the same, the TMs used interchange, only the scabbard is different).

I will start with my more rare SAs.

First up is this tiger striped small double oval no CE TMed presentation SA.

The presentation translates into something like `To my dear comrade Weiss for your loyal co-ooperation. Oberlander.`

This is a large double oval serrated over CE TM and has the early motto with the small A as opposed the what looks like a U in Alles.

This is a double etched piece with a small double oval serrated tail no CE TM.

Another presentation piece.

Here is an Honour SA.. sadly the gilt is gone, but still an awesome piece.

Small double oval serrated tail no CE TM.

And, this is my SA Rohm.

No gau mark, with the small double oval serrated tail no CE TM.

I will stop for now and then restart with my regular plain jane SAs and NSkks.

John

OMG thank you so much for showing these wonderful daggers.

Very nice daggers you've got there !

Thanks, guys. Here is another.

This is a large double oval serrated tail over CE.

And, a small double oval serrated tail no CE.

Small double oval smooth tail no CE

Large double oval smooth tail over CE

This is a large double oval smooth tail over CE erased Rohm NSKK.

Eickhorn transitional no date.

Transitional 1938 No Original

1938 Transitional with Original

1939 No Original

1939 No Original Tagged NSKK

Fantastic tutorial on the different variety of Eickhorn SA daggers. Thank you so much from all of us! JR

Wow - I rarely get out of the army forum my friend Ivan told me about this post. A world class collection! What a selection of squirrels.

OMG great reference thread for maker mark variations.
Thanks for sharing your fantastic collection!!!

Great stuff John, is this a complete listing of Eickhorn logo for SA's ?

Thanks, again, guys.

I am not totally certain of this, but I am on th elookout for the following possibilities:

Large double oval smooth tail no CE
Small double oval smooth tail with CE
Large Double oval serrated tail no CE
Small double oval serrated tail with CE
Transitional no date no Original
Transitional 1939 Original

John

Now, let's tart on the RZM versions of the Eickhorn TM.

This is an NSKK with the 1939 date.

RZM 7/66 1940

RZM 7/66 1941

And, my last SA is an RZM 7/66 1942.

Enjoy,

John

You kind of wonder why they had so many logos ? One theory was that Eickhorn used many different suppliers and applied different trademarks for it, who knows what's the story.

Pat,

That is the theory behind the seated squirrel with or without Original on the transitionals... the one without may have been made by a subcontractor.

I don't know.

John

Do you have this one John ?

Ground Rohm

John,

I'm not sure about subcontractors. It is a reason sometimes quoted for unexplained differences.

I think it is just poor trademark control by the largest TR dagger maker. Look at the SA's close relative the SS dagger and you have all of the varieties you mention plus several more including one really strange one - the "rat" - transitional.

Dave

Pat:

Yes, I do.

Dave:

I agree with you .. and I do have a rat tail SS.

[quote=JohnZ]Pat:

Yes, I do.

Can we see it ?

So, while risking that we go off topic, here is my rat tail Eickhorn SS.

I bought this at a recent SOS.

John

That is an impressive Eickhorn collection, John!

Many congratulations with this extraordinary result of years of collecting!

And for sharing it with us!

Thank you very much!

Herman

Please allow me to add one extra Eickhorn mark: the single oval CE, which is the earliest to be found on SA's I believe.

Right on picture below.

Best regards,

Herman

Pat,

The one you posted (small serrated, double oval) is in my opinion the most common mark for Eickhorn Röhm SA's.

Here are a few with the same common mark:

Best regards,

Herman

So I just realised, nice Eickhorn collection BTW.

Thank you, Herman.

I knew that the single oval exists on a HJ, but not on an SA.

I now have to add it to my list of wanted items.

If anyone knows of one out there and thinks that it would be happy in the Great White and Wet North, let me know.

John

Beautiful squirrels guys and super pictures.

Fabulous roundup of Eickhorns!
Thank you all for sharing.
Are those Allach squirrels?

Thank you for your comments, guys.

Yes, Allach squirrels, but they have many fine furry friends from other manufacturers.

John

I heard some guy from Canada with a squirrel fetish was smuggling squirrels in from Texas

Nope, not true, Tom.

In fact, you are only one of two squirrelly ones that I know in Texas, and I would never think of smuggling you into my fine country.

John

John all kidding aside thanks for sharing your world class Eickhorn collection

Nice Eickhorns you have there. I have a transitional Eickhorn from 1939 (possible Marine dagger). I'll try to post some pics...just have to figure out how to do it.

Ok, here are pics of My Transitional Eickhorn.

So, I have a question for you Eickhorn fans out there.

The large serrated squirrel TM found on early Rohm daggers...the one with the squirrel over CE... are there two variations of this? One with no preiods, simply CE, and one with periods, C.E.?

Here is the one with no periods.

John

John if you take some time and compare with the example below you will see the two marks are different the letters do not exactly match telling me that these were etched with two different templates. Not sure if that constitutes a variation but they are definitely different.

I saw that Paul, but wasn't sure that the letter differences weren't only caused by a different slant of the blade on the two dagger pictures.

To my untutored and aging eyes, the two TMs do look different enough that I can call them TM variations.

Of course, you know what this means, don't you?

John

John, Paul,

That is indeed very interesting and also new to me!

This means that there are 6 different maker marks by Eickhorn on their Röhm daggers... amazing!

Here is my large serrated: it has the "dotted C.E." mark.

Best regards,

Herman

Better view:

Here are all of the double oval TMs by Eickhorn that I have in my collection;

1 - off a full Rohm
2 - serrated tail over CE large
3 - serrated tail no CE small
4 - smooth tail over C.E. large on erased Rohm
5 - smooth tail over C.E. large
6 - smooth tail no CE small.

The one shown by Paul withe the C.E. is missing from my collection, but is on its way to me from Paul.

John

Great Reference thread.

My first arrival in 2015! And, you have seen this before in this thread.

Thank you, Paul at Lakesidetrader.com!

This is the early large double oval serrated tail squirrel over C.E. (that is the CE with periods).

This is the same mark as shown by Herman as well.

Only goes to show that all things come to he who waits.

John

Great start of 2015, you made John!

Another super addition to the impressive collection.

Best regards,

Herman

Nice find

One of the best things about GDC and this hobby for me is the friendships that I have made over the years. Friends multiply my ability to find those great items to fill holes in my collection. So, along with big thanks to Serge M, Kevin R and Mat J, I have been able to finally find what I consider to be the rarest TM used by Eickhorn. No, it isn't the single oval, why, because there are multiple examples of the single oval in collections (sadly, not yet in mine), And, I know of only two examples of this mark, here and in a collection n the USA.

This is a transitional, which means that it has both the Eickhorn seated squirrel mark as well as the RZM 7/66 mark. What makes this so rare is that the date is 1940, where almost all 1940 dated Eicks use the RZM code only. The second rarity is the word 'Original' located over the squirrel.

Not mint, with a couple of dings in the edge of the scabbard and a few grey spots on the blade, this is a great and welcome addition to my Eickhorn collection.

J

Here are the five transitional TMs used by Eickhorn :

Transitional, no date, Original
1938 No Original
1938 Original
1939 No Original
1940 Original

Isn't this a great hobby?

John

Cool, John.

Thanks for showing. That 1940 is hard to find.

Dave

Hello John ,

Yes a great hobby and an helpfull information for us ! ;-)

S+

Great info John, your the goto man for Eickhorn