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Hi All,
I just signed up, it maybe a little rude to fire off questions immediatly, ifso forgive me.
I have my eye on a Deutschen J�gerschaft Hirschf�nger but I am a novice and I want to be carefull.
I try to do my homework, I buy a lot of books and I read the guide by mr Houston very nice, thank you.
The knife I am asking advice about looks good to me exept for 2 things that I don`t know about.
1: The Maker doesnt look familiar to me.
2: The pommel nut. I understood that very long ones are a red flag, is this such a long pommel nut?
I would very much like to know if this is a pre 1945 made knife that is factory assembled.
Thank you, Regards,
Dan
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JDD, first let me welcome you to the forum.
I am NOT "THE" expert concerning DJ daggers, but to start opinions I do a try.
The portepee is improper, it would either be for a alk-out-bayonet froff staff formation or German Rifle Assotiation, both did use the same.
The DJ grip badge seems to be an original, period one but denazified.
Generally stamped mms are a good sign (for sure you have already seen this in Houston�s valuable guide). This one seems to be stamped. But as you, I have never seen it before.
The etching seems deep which normally is a good sign, but for me it lacks certain features I do know from doubtless period DJ etchings.
I do own several period DJ daggers and the fit of grip/crossguard and grip/pommel is more delicate and skillful than compared with this speciman here.
Finally, yes, the long pommel acorn normally is a bad sign. I personally have not seen such one on a doubtless period hunting dagger.
Personally I would tend to think it is a post may 45 manufactured dagger but would like to hear mor specialized and experienced opinions.
Regards,
wotan, gd.c-b#105
"Never look for sqare eggs" as a late owner of an original FHH-dagger used to say.
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The "mm" seems to be a W combined with an M. Have looked through Fisher�s Quick Reference concerning trademarks starting with W and M but could not find any which resembles this one here.
Regards,
wotan, gd.c-b#105
"Never look for sqare eggs" as a late owner of an original FHH-dagger used to say.
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Thank you Wotan, I suppose I better wait for another opportunity then.
I hope there are some other people with a opinion on this one...
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Thank you Wotan, I suppose I better wait for another opportunity then.
I hope there are some other people with a opinion on this one...
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Hi Wotan-everybody,
I`ve requested some more pictures of the pommel-nut from the seller of this Hirschfanger.
Can you tell me anything more with these pics?
Is this definitely a red flag, too large?
Thanks,
Dan
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JDD, I cannot understand why no other member does write his opinion concerning this dagger.
Personally I do not like this elongated pommel acorn.
Regards,
wotan, gd.c-b#105
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Wotan:
Neither do I, but then I only have Eickhorns in my collection, so what do I know?
John
Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
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I was hoping for some more replies as well. Time is running out on this one. I will wait for another occasion.
I really like the patina on this one though.
Thank you again!
Dan
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Not an expert also but I don't like the looks of the grip has that "new" plastic look.After looking at mine the tone or color is more stag looking on mine
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Everything that was needed to authenticate this hirschf�nger either for good or bad is on this forum, granted you would have had to dig deep but it is there, by the way the hirschf�nger is a good one and the maker is WMW, Waffenfabrik Max Weyersberg. Of course the reason that I did not reply is because I was aiming to bid on this auction, for future reference the one big question to ask is whether the scabbard has runners, if it has and it has a stamped mark then it is almost certainly a period hirschf�nger, the anomoly of the elongated pommel nut is one that needs to be studied and the whole dagger and it's individual parts taken into account. Apart from the blade etch the whole hirschf�nger has parts commonly seen on WKC models, there are WKC models posted previously on this forum, check out the shape of the scabbard mounts, a dead giveaway of WKC manufacture. Other than the obvious the colour of the fittings is another big clue, there are very few post war hirschf�ngers with the heavy silver content of these nickel silver fittings, you just do not see this ageing on even late 1940's/early 1950's hirschf�ngers, the two pictures posted of the pommel and nut clearly show this patina and remnants of the lacquer.
Gary
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I did not know that this dagger is from an auction. Now the silence is clear to me.
Baz69, thank you for your detailed and experienced insight. My first thought concerning the mm also has been WMW but I could not find the certain mark in any reference so it remained unknown to me.
Could you gain this dagger?
Regards,
wotan, gd.c-b#105
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Wotan
Yes I did get the hirschf�nger, it's a maker that I did not have, in fact it is a very rare mark although I'm sure they made quite a few many were unmarked, I have seen at least 6 or 7 unmarked versions for sale over the last few years and have sold a couple myself.I had never before this auction seen this mark before but I knew they existed as another forum member mentioned he had one, putting two and two together just added up to me. The fact that it is lacking a swastika now makes no difference to me at all, I do not collect hirschf�ngers because it has this symbol on it. I will post more detailed pictures once I have received it.
Gary
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Congratulations Gary,
Like I mentioned in the starting topic I am somewhat of a novice on these but since today again a little less so...
If someone could have taken my insecurity away and authenticated it I would have bought it... Next one.
Great tips, thanks
Dan
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Another great score Gary congrats. Paul
FUR EHR' UND PFLICHT BIS HERZ UND KLINGE BRICHT
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Baz69, that is very special, experienced knowledge I don�t have. I personally would not have bought this dagger if I had seen it on any show. Congrats.
JDD, sorry I could not judge it better.
Regards,
wotan, gd.c-b#105
"Never look for sqare eggs" as a late owner of an original FHH-dagger used to say.
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