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Happy thanksgiving all. Who is and if the are more makers for the small motto. I was told that the smaller motto runs about $7M!! Does anyone have a few pics to show? When did this process start and why was it discontinued?

Also I thought I might of had one at one time on a Bulldog long ago, but I am not too sure. Larry

The only undersized motto that I have seen on a dagger was an SS specimen, and that was on a single example, trademarked by Louper (Louis Perlman). The reason for its existence is not known, because the instructions and authority giving permission to manufacture SS daggers specifically stated what the size and form of the motto should be. That is why on all other daggers the etched mottoes are more or less identical in size.

I checked with a Louper SA that I had access to, and the motto on that was the correct size (108mm I recall, without checking again).

I would be very wary of any undersized motto on a presumed production piece - as there seems to be no viable explanation for such an anomaly in the normal circumstances.

Explanation s such as the variation is an example of an early period variant is purely speculative. Thus said, I must comment that the SS example I studied was in all other respects a perfectly fine dagger - no other "red flags", so to speak.

FJS

I am sorry if i did not elaborate more in detail. I believe I have seen these in Tom Johnsons Book. The motto is smaller and the Letter A in Alles is noticeably different than the standard A that we all have seen. Tom Wittman has one of these, I have seen it. It is quite real and authentic. Best regards larry

Hi Siegried,

I wasn't sure what you where looking for until you mentioned the letter A in Alles being noticeably different and what twigged for me then was what is referred to as the "Christmas SA" dagger. Please see the following link. You could also do a search on here of Christmas SA. That maybe what you are looking for. As for maker, these daggers tend to have the early Eickhorn makers mark. Hope this helps. ~ Ian

http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/...430007285#2430007285

Hi Siegried,heres another link.Eickhorn was the only maker,and I think they were all Rohm daggers with 3 different eickhorn maker marks.
nats

http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/...380048025#5380048025

Fred is referring to an early SS dagger by Louper shown in Tom Wittmann's SS dagger book.

I think you are talking about what we call "early A" mottos used on SA prototypes and one maker on their initial run of production daggers. It is a complex subject as few daggers remain and (my opinion) fakes abound.

Gentlemen,I apologize for any inconvenience since I recently joined this forum, and this topic was covered before. I am thankful though for the replys, and it does answer some questions. About how many of these prototypes were produced and was it in the same year as 1933, or before? I am very into the early SAs a period of struggle, and the history behind it.
I like Ians post of Himmlers quote. Everyone of these daggers has an identity. Thanks again Larry

Nats for the SA "Christmas Dagger" there are two known manufacturers: Eickhorn and E. Pack.
I believe Pack is the more common.
Ron Weinand