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#274907 12/03/2012 06:00 AM
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Hello.
This motto original or postwar?

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Original cool

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No mottoed blades were produced after 1938, so this 1939 made blade certainly left its Vienna factory without the motto.

The darkness of the motto combined with a heavely used and cleaned blade makes me suspect that it has added recently.

Best regards,

Herman


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Thank you.

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Never say never. It is certainly possible that a NOS etched blade made in 1938 was sold in 1939. What I see is pitting in the bottom of the etching as well as in the bottom of the Zeitler and RZM stamp as I would expect with and original etch. I am afraid I don't agree with Herman in this regard.


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Originally Posted By: ORPO
Never say never. It is certainly possible that a NOS etched blade made in 1938 was sold in 1939. What I see is pitting in the bottom of the etching as well as in the bottom of the Zeitler and RZM stamp as I would expect with and original etch. I am afraid I don't agree with Herman in this regard.



Orpo, i Agree!!

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Some of the manufacturing firms outside of Germany such as Ludwig Zeitler, Franz Frenzel, and Julius Pilz did not necessarily follow the rules.

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Not to offend you friendly posters here, but if you believe that some spots of corrosion in an etch are proof of authencity, then you are sitting ducks for fakers!

There is not any doubt about the etch shown here: 100% postwar for sure!

But if you want to believe in it: feel free.

Best regards,

Herman

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Originally Posted By: Herman V. (aka Herr Mann)
Not to offend you friendly posters here, but if you believe that some spots of corrosion in an etch are proof of authencity, then you are sitting ducks for fakers!

There is not any doubt about the etch showed here: 100% postwar for sure!

Best regards,

Herman



Please Explain Why The Motto is Post War apart from being a 39 dated blade ?

Do you have any solid proof or facts to back up your opinion ?

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Mac,

Please keep your given word in the future: you promised never to post here anymore!

A man who does not keep his word is worthless to me!

And I will certainly not educate him!


But that has one big advantage for you:

Ungrateful newbees like yourself are free to believe in anything they want and buy all the rubbish that hangs around!

grin grin grin


Best regards,

Herman

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Herman,

I am not a newby old chap grin

I see you are still a Control Freak!!

Please Explain to the other members why this motto is post war with solid facts!!

Motto etch to thin maybe or wrong type of font maybe ?

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Originally Posted By: ORPO
Never say never. It is certainly possible that a NOS etched blade made in 1938 was sold in 1939. What I see is pitting in the bottom of the etching as well as in the bottom of the Zeitler and RZM stamp as I would expect with and original etch. I am afraid I don't agree with Herman in this regard.

I'm sorry, but I'm also going to have to agree with George (ORPO). Nitric acid on top of rust/pitting is going to not only remove it - it's going to leave a gray or grayish cavity that approximates the color of the etching. And fresh rust is going to be more reddish not the dark/brown or blackish color of well aged rust. And then there is the matter of how to do you get all of the small scattered different size localized pinholes/rust spots (which are the result of the nodes) which is what caused them, without some fairly significant expenditure of time and expertise.

Versus "Occam's Razor" which (roughly) states that: The simplest explanation is usually the best - as George I think was suggesting. And if it's still believed that the Austrians 'always followed the rules' ............ then perhaps they should check out the numbering system that they used on bayonets (maker's code "bym") that were made for the German Army. whistle FP

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