UBB.threads Forums Edged Weapons SS Dagger Forum SS Himmler with Fake etching.

AJ, I'll take some photos out of the reference so a comparison can be made. Thanks for the idea.

Sorry AJ,, you beat me to it!

I don't usually get involved in these discussions, but I do pay attention to them and look at any dagger I may have that is similar to what is being discussed. I have a Himmler and I looked at mine and I think Lost Dutchman has a good one.

Siegfried I noticed the hanger difference as well. I have been sent some history on ownership too.

If this is the same dagger,, than I am grossly mistaken in my comments and apologize to lost Dutchman. But lets dig it out for sure as I try not to shoot from the hip in my postings.

Jack, If my thoughts as regards the “Hühnlein” daggers, the brass M 1936 SS chain links, and a bunch more as postwar fakes is still in place then I can live with that because what I seemed to be seeing in the images was just that. My immediate impression of what seemed to be in them after trying to compensate for the glare. Fred

Fred,
Again, I know your comments are meant to be helpful to people and that is admirable. If you do not have good enough pictures as you mentioned, just do not comment. Or, ask for better pictures to clarify your argument either for or against. Judging a piece as you have done many times without adequate pictures makes you look lousy to the guys that have done this for a while. At the same time the newer guys see your posts with charts and graphs. To them, they believe your stance which sometimes damages original pieces!
Still willing to buy you dinner at the Max and we can talk more!
Best Wishes,
Bob

This set of photos using the dagger out of Ralf's SS dagger book compared to the set of photos that Dutchman posted, show the daggers to be one in the same. A period Himmler Honor dagger.

First the lacquer on the obverse of the lower scabbard.

Grip pressure marks on the obverse toward the crossguard.

The moisture mark on the reverse where the wood meets the crossguard

The bench mark

The Eickhorn logo

Finally the Himmler signature

Well buddy

i can try to figure it out.

I now conceed it does appear to be the same dagger thanks for the photo montage JR

Hangers get switched out at times. Perhaps the Himmler didn't have one initially, and when it was sold, none given with it.

Really, why is this even being discussed????? If this is a "fake" How can I get one?????? I'll take 20

I have owned a NM example and handled at least 5 over the years, this one is REAL!

I Agree that this Himmler inscription is Genuine,

Fred you need to stop over examining photos!!!

You done that with my hj knife dedication which looks exactly done the same way as this Himmler inscription, Acid Etched, Not Rotary Engraved!!



Regards Mac 66

Scott, It’s my intention to be as helpful as possible. But also realizing that sometimes a more prudent approach to the problem is better, that I should include caveats like the limitations of digital technology, bad lighting, etc. are factors that should be considered. And that opinions can be conditional depending on the amount of reasonably reliable data that is available. Also, that if available more photos are (or would be) requested to try and resolve questions as to what is really present - making a best effort to imitate what the human eye would see if an item was in hand. Such an approach would IMO be the least harmful to the item, and the best for especially some of the outside observers who are trying to learn more about a particular item.

But stop examining photos?? Are you serious? Because that is what the forums do every day which is to look at digital images. And ask opinions. The good, the bad, the ugly - but not by using the postage stamp size images that some dealers/others use to display what they are selling/asking about which are in most cases relatively useless. (With the “Hühnlein” daggers discussion IMO being just one example in the past of a number of discussions where a close look allowed readers to look at the evidence and make up their own minds, and who or what to believe.) And I know to a certainty that you were a participant in the recent “DJ” discussion. So are you saying that the closeups of the “Olympic” knives and some other things in that discussion had no value?

As for your HJ knife, in the blade images posted (understanding that there could be some physical limitations due to lighting and the fact that they are digital) IMO there are differences (on both sides?). But the thread has been pulled so there is no link to use, and I’m not going to do a comparison here if you don’t want it. Best Regards, Fred

Great job JR!!

Fred,

What i mean is "Over Examining" genuine items like this Himmler SS dagger when everybody knows its 100% genuine,

i know you will carry on & do great work in the future as you have done so in the past & i respect you for that, sometimes we all cant agree on these forums & its gets very frustrating so i,ll leave it at that because i dont want to fall out with you or anyone else,


Take it easy,


Regards Scott.

Scott, I understand your point which is well taken, and If this had been what looked to me like an untouched blade (or dagger) then from my perspective I think it would have just been a matter of trying to figure out why the lighting was making things look different. But then I saw what looked to me like evidence of at least a partial re-polishing in places, and that is what I think triggered a more critical appraisal. Which in retrospect placed too much emphasis on one set of images. Mea culpa. And not enough on the more distant pictures as a better overall representation. Best Regards, Fred

JR is the man.