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Last edited by spacey; 08/21/2012 08:51 PM.
Von zwei �beln w�hlt man besser das, was man schon kennt.
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In the very last photo you can see the slightly darker colored band I was talking about.
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Hard to say.
The pics are for sure not good enaugh. But i think this ring has a good chance to be a period one.
Clear pics are a must.
Last edited by odal; 08/22/2012 01:52 PM.
�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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Any suggestions on taking pics? I tried outside and it was worse. Bright lights only reflected too much. I could try again soon to post more.
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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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looks pretty good,,,what does it say on front??
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Sorry about the bad pics, it says "ripol". Looks like it originally said "Tripoli". Then inscribed with a pyramid/mountain? And a palm tree, and something else worn below it.
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Last edited by spacey; 08/25/2012 03:29 AM.
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Much better pics!
Both rings - the skull too - look now for me like good period ones.
The DAK looks like it has a separate plate soldered/forged? on.
I like both rings.
�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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Thanks odal. I read through all the posts in this forum on rings, especiall Gaspare's (and I'll be buying his book when it comes out). Never knew there were so many variations in skull, DAK, and Westwall rings.
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The Tripoli ring is silver with a fused on front of copper and maybe a hint of gold alloyed in with it.
This could very well be a ring for Germans OR for British!
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Thanks! I was wondering if it could have also been British.
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Skull ring has pretty good chances to be authentic (Better pics would help to confirm it, especially pic of skull's bottom part).
Tripoli ring I think does not have a chance - ring is poor casting.
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Could be you're right on the Tripoli ring. The price was lower than other DAK rings I've seen. Guess opinions are mixed at this point, but after reading posts about hapur, I'm not putting too much salt into it. I will post more pics next week when my 2 new ones come in (YEA!)
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the skull ring I believe was discussed here before and not liked. The Tripoli ring is authentic but probablt for ther Allies.. You usually see Oran, Tripoli, Iran, Tunis on the allied rings..
- here is a example currectly on eBay
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Interesting. Never heard of an Iran ring 1944. Were the Allies in Iran for petrol or...??? Hmmm.
I guess there's mixed opinions on both rings now.
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try and make a couple nice clear, photos of the Tripoli ring,,,from the photos posted it really doesn't look bad!
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Look on inside picture. There is typical gas porosity on homemade castings.
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What does "inside picture" mean? The dark spotting on the inside of the DAK ring?
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I meant look on picture were you can see inside of ring. See those tiny holes? That's what happens when molten metal is overheated on open flame. At that stage lots of O2 dissolves in Ag. And result is visible on pic. That is called gas porosity.
Typical kitchen casting.
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Last edited by spacey; 09/03/2012 12:03 AM.
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a couple things,, authentic examples are make in Afrika,,and not the best of quality or silver.. What is the content marking in band?, T ? Photos still aren't the best. [your thumb looks better than ring  ] IF your camera has a 'Macro' setting use it,,,should display a flower icon when used. Use a timer if camera has one. Use natural lighting. These Allied type rings are common and you'd spend more money making a copy than buying an authenic one..
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found a quick photo of an inner band from an authentic ring...
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Not sure if I can get any better photos. I did use the flower icon setting. Is that a crest with a crown on top? The content marking says "T800". Thanks for the feedback, I wasn't really buying the "typical kitchen casting" comment.  
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, could be though Spacey which is why photos are ever so important..
Here is a clever fake!
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Still looks like "T800" as far as I can tell from the 2 new pics I just took. No sun outside right now, so it had to be an inside photo.
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as an be seen the authentic ring and the copy both have a beat up and 'dots' , faults, etc. in band.. The authentic has the content and hallmark stamped in,,,the copy if you study has both cast in....
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I see what you're saying now. The authentic ring has both stamped, and the fakes are "cast" with the hallmark and content (eg. T800 or T900).
The fake you posted is really good, in that if you hadn't said it was fake I wouldn't know it. Am I right in thinking that the fake (cast-in) hallmarks/content seems to have less texture than the real example here? It seems like the fake one has less texture (vertical variation) in the hallmark stamp versus the real version?
I can see why you were asking for more detailed photos. With the camera that I have, I doubt it's possible to get a better photos than I already have. Perhaps if a nice overcast day comes around in the next couple of days.
I'm going to go ahead and assume my Tripoli ring is authentic, unless a consensus of more than one says otherwise.
(crossing fingers lol)
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Interesting discussion and with all due respect for Richards opinion, I stay with "good one" party.....by the pics.
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some of these things you really need in hand to study with equipment...
The fake marks have that messy , 'burned in' look. Authentic marks are clear, well defined and sometimes you can see metal displaced when the stamp was put in..
For now with just these photos and the fact 99.9% of the fakes are of DAK/nazi rings I'm gonna go with a 'good one' too..
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