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Dean,

This just gets better all the time!

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Ps btw, does anyone know the name of Germania's Austrian counterpart..? Thanks. wink

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Great question Bill.
I'm not positive but I always assumed her name was Austria in keeping with the Britannia,Hungaria,Germania,theme.
Maybe someone will confirm this based on fact and not assumption.
More cards on the way soon.
Have a great Memorial Day.

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I've been searching since you asked and the only mention of an Austrian personification I could find was Austria. I could only find one written reference, no images.

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A postcard I'm trying to find out more about.
Titled 'Deutscher Friede' on back with printed date of 10 Okt. 1917.
Also looks like Bei Langermark 1917 is on the cross.
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Here's a card titled Wassercheu by C.A. Geiger 1912

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Originally Posted By: Dean Perdue
A postcard I'm trying to find out more about.
Titled 'Deutscher Friede' on back with printed date of 10 Okt. 1917.
Also looks like Bei Langermark 1917 is on the cross.
Thanks



Hey Dean, The Deutscher Friede, or "German Peace", is the Friedesnresolution of 1917, that was actualy in july, not october. In 1917 Germany was already at war with England ofcourse, but, early 1917 Germany began a total submarine warfare against England. Germany planned to conquer England in 6 months like this. We know, it didnt happen. Because of this, In july 1917, Germany wanted to look for a negotiated peace with England. So, the government later in july declared in a resolution of peace, that "Uns treibt nicht Eroberungssucht", or "its not conquest that drives us". The resolution tried to negotiate a peace. Many Germans didnt agree to this new thinking, even a new political party was founded, the Deutsche Vaterlandspartei, and, this is real interesting, it ~~could~~ be seen as the forerunner of the NSDAP, but, it doesnt compare to it at all ofcourse.

The cross, Bei Langermark 1917, Langermark, or Langemarck, is a place in Ypres Belgium, a bloody battle was fought there in august 1917, it was all part of the Ypres-Passchendaele action, and many were killed. So it matches your date, and cross. Is this any help? Will look at the text for you, yes? Bye!!

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Here's a card titled Wassercheu by C.A. Geiger 1912


"Wassercheu", is I think "wasserscheu", or "scared of water", and, the girl is right to be!!! The artist, I dont know yet? I find 2 Geigers, Willi and Rupprecht, or father and son, but no Geiger with a ""c, sorry


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Still a tad small that text Dean, but, it says;

"Was fragt ihr, Todesgenossen,
die ihr da unten ruht:
Was half es, daß es geflossen
so viel vom roten Blut?

Wer kann euch Antwort sagen,
wer sagen solches Leid?
Wohl euch, daß ihr erschlagen,
daß ihr erschlagen seid!
"

A translation of something like poetry or prose, is always difficult, but, something like;

"What do you you ask, comrades in death that rest down there:
what did it help, that you sacrificed all that blood?
Who can give you the answer, who tells of this suffering?
Bless you, that you are beaten
" (or maybe "bless you, the fallen"? Or whatever)

Its written by j. Mosen, in 1831, and its actualy a part of a bigger works, a song, "commercium", that is a song they used to sing at academic feasts (whatever those were?). The original song, is called "Die Völkerschlacht bei Leipzig", and its about this. Find the whole song here.


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Sorry, forgot .. "nach einem Scheidemann-Erzberger Frieden", after a peace by Scheidemann-Erzberger, 2 names of politicians in the Reichstag, that promoted the negociated peace, I told about above. So, this card, is against that peace, and is a statement that the victims died for nothing.

Erzberger, was murderd in 1921 by political right extremists. Scheidemann saw, that the Versaile treaty was very bad for Germany, and he stepped down from government in 1919. When Hitler won the election in 1933, he emigrated to Denmark, died in 1939.


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Thank you Krullies for the time you put into a fantastic explanation and write up that makes the art all the more special to me.
I appreciate you sharing the knowledge.

I liked how Germania looked so disgusted while in mourning. It makes perfect sense now.

The unusual look of the angel, wearing a fox head thing and holding a weird looking pitch fork over the crest of the eale looked intriguing too.
I wonder if the artist had a intention for placing the barb directly over the eagles heart.

I'm posting the text on back showing the date and another verse.
Please disregard if it has no relevance.

Thanks again.

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Always welcome Dean, this is the fun of it no? Yes the text I think is relevant, Ill try to tell you what it says, if you want? The bottom scan, "Zur Jul.Molen ...", well, Molen was the maker of the original text on the front. Gedenkfeier, is a memorial feast, Plauen, a city in the Vogtlandkreis region, so, Plauen i.V is city of Plauen in Vogtlandkreis. There, a memorial feast was held, on october 10, 1917. This card was made for that feast, to sell maybe or hand out.

The top text, the gothic type can be difficult, but, the words;
"Deutschland, einig, stolz und stark
Wahr des Reiches neue Mark!
Halte aus im letzen Streit -
Deutscher Friede ist nit weit!
V."

The letter V at the bottom, the writer initial. The text means;
Germany, united, proud and strong
the true new\future way (the litteral Mark, is difficult to fit here?) of the Reich
Hold on (sustain?) in the final battle -
German peace is not far away!


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Thanks for all the great info Krullies.

Here's a field posted card by artist Franz Poledne.
'K.u.k Feldjagerbataillon Nr.9' stamped on back.

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Any idea's on what the dates pertain to or meaning of this strange card appreciated if possible.Thanks

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Im Leben roth wie Zin aber\Zinaber (Zinnober = vermillion?)
Im Tod wie Kreide so bleich
Gestorben am 17. Oktober
Am 19. war die Leich.

In life red as (tin but or vermillion??)
In death pale as chalk
Died at october 17
The (burial or inquest???) was the 19th.



This (I think!!!!) has to do with an event, out of so many, that lead to WWI. The first part of the 20th century, until the start of the Great War (WWI), is very stuffed with incidents. This is about something in 1913, after the Balkan wars (1912-1913). Serbia was supported by Russia, Russia encouraged Slav nationalism, this was a threat to German Austrian Italian Hungarian policy. Other big countries like France and England were allies with Russia. Because of the Balkan war, the Serb population grew and grew, so Serbia wanted to add (annex) Albania. Russia let this happen, but Germany sent Serbia an Ultimatum, to stop invading Albania. Serbia ignored the ultimatum officialy on october 1917, this was recieved in Germany october 18, and october 19 Serbia was forced to evacuate Albania within 8 days. Serbia gave in to Germany right away. This was ofcourse a good to build-up confidence for Austria and Germany. They saw they could settle conflicts, without starting a big war with Russia or the allies. I dont know if the creepy guy in the drawing means anything thoh? Does he look like someone? Is he holding something? I cant see it clearly?


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...I was trying to think of something that might create a bit of "imperial entertainment" for those who may not have a big interest in pre-1918 collectibles, such as medals and uniforms ..

..Periodicals, magazines, books and newspapers were the greatest influences on the masses at the turn of the century and the majority of them were illustrated with artwork of one kind or another. Pen and ink line-illustrations, oil paintings and watercolors, engravings, etchings and myriads of lithographs, wood-cuts and crayon drawings - all played a part in the graphic-related industries.. Each concept easily worth a thousand words or more, many of these illustrations can be taken as well-defined reflections of current topics and events of those heady times.


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..Something needs to be done to revive this forum, there has got to be a way....


This topic is very nice, maybe only for bookworms, or history freaks or whatever, but its good reading, and totally great seeing, and also maybe gives hints of how the popular period started, that most people only are interested in, Drittes Reich. But not only that, it also tells about how the world ended up here. Anyway its fun to take it from the start, if you havent done so aleady, so jump here for that.


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Postcards are fun, and you can have lots to enjoy for sometimes very little money. Your cards are supernice Dean!!!! I dont have many, and I dont have many general propaganda cards. I have a few awesome Victoria Luise cards but, I can play along with this card. First maybe a bit of background? Just skip if tl;dr ..

The use of postcards began some time in 1870. It was a cheap way to send short messages, instead of letters, that cost more postage back then. Before and during the great war\WWI, movies were only just invented, there was not tv or radio like we know it now. Postcards were used as the commercials we know today, and also for propaganda. I think, that, today we cant understand anymore what the effect of propaganda postcards was. The effect of postcards probably was great for soldiers and people at home, or homefront. And, yes, they were collected then too. Also, national socialist Germany used this way of propaganda as well. But that aint the timeperiod here. This is Imperial Germany.

I dont know if cardprinters could just make anything they want, or that maybe there was some censorship. When you look at all the cards, there are some 20 or so main themes, like departure, reunion, portraits, love, family, death, troop inspection, slogans, prisoners of war, wounded, front, the economic crisis and so on.

During the war, print media played a big role. It was important to make demons out of the enemy, to influence population. Also, it has a role in how gender roles were seen, and how the society was thinking about things, especially about the war, the destruction, death and the grief. They also show the icons, the import or popular people, and holy people of back then. A lot of cards, idolize the war, the victims, the battle and dying for the great war cause.

Sorry I dont have better pics, these are made with a phone. Click on them to watch it bigger ..





The card says "Helft uns siegen! Zeichnet Kriegsanleihe", or, "Help us win! Subscribe to warbonds". The text at the back has the name "Prof. Fritz Erler, München". The artist is Professor Fritz Erler, and we know, he also did some Third Reich nazi art. This card was made for the 6th Kriegsanleihe, in 1917. This card is a screenprint, and very nice if you see it closeby. Screenprinting is still done today, its different from etching or pressprinting. More info here, but, maybe William has more knowledge of it?








Long before WWI, warbonds were a way for governments to raise money for warfare. And after WWI, during WWII, Germany didnt but allieds used warbonds too. Banks mostly didn"t finance war back then, so, governments tricked civilians to loan money, by giving them a feeling they did something for their victory. Ofcourse the warbonds that people bought were hardly profiteable. But, lots of money was cut out of circulation, and this prevented devaluation of money.

In august 1914, the German banks started to make more money then the gold the German banks had could cover, to finance the war. Money got worth less and less. Kreigsanleihe slowed down the devaluation, but, didnt stop it, and it didnt raise enuff money to finance the war. In 1917, the Reichbank itself printed more money, and fully accepted devaluation of money, because Germany expected to win the war in 1918. We never know if Germany would win the war, because a strike by communist workers in ammunition factories prevented Germany to win anything at all anymore. This was another thing that nationalist Germans hated communists for after WWI. Hitler mentions this "betrayal" in Mein Kampf too.

The book in the background, actualy is the year 1917 subscription of Der Kompaß, of the "Organ der Knappschaftsberufsgenossenschaft für das Deutsche Reich", bound as a real book, with old 1917 library stamps and leather cover, very nice. Knappschaft, has something to do with mining, and miners. So its not a surprise, that this illustration turns up as advertisement in this too.



Enjoy!


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Interesting Krullies.Thanks

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The soldier has that thousand-yard stare. Well written K .
You inspired me to look up Fritz Erler and I saw five different works by him so far.

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KR,

Kind thanks for your thoughtful, informative answers and posts. You're always very generous and a great help to all who frequent here and enjoy learning new things.

Dean - greatful to you for providing such a bounty of food for thought ...

Best!

W~

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'Wir Deutschen fürchte Gott sonst nichts in der welt'-Bismark- on back in text.
Under artist name, Hermann Knothe is Leipzig 1921.

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Very beautiful card Dean!! And fits in the Deutsche 1920s very well .. Thanks for showing!!!

Where do you keep your cards? Album or in a frame on the wall? Or something?


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Thanks for your input Krullies.

Unfortunately I don't have your talent for display and the cards and art are in a stack or laying around here and there.
I have been looking around for some type of nice period German album to put some of it in though.

Here's a postcard by Ludwig Fahrenkrog: Neue Wege fur die Zukunft

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Oh wow Dean I love this card .. it has skulls!! Just kidding, but, I do love it tho!!!! It shows what the new roads into the future cost; human life and sacrifice ..The artist is good! I need to see what else he did. Thanks!!!


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Dean & KR,

"Wir Deutsche fürchten Gott, aber sonst nichts in der Welt!" Bismarck's famous quote to the Reichstag, "In this world we Germans fear nothing except for God!"

A great line but I feel it's thinking like this that got Germany into hot-water in the years to come..? Kaiser Billy was famous for being something of a boor with all his verbal militaristic threats, arrogant comments and general bluster, huffing and puffing about ... but that's neither here nor there.

Bismarck's memorable quote can be found etched into the steel blades of many, fine German weapons. How could anyone have chosen a better spot for it than the side of an impeccable, gleaming sword blade?

It's scary to see that the road paved with skulls looks mighty similar to the road we're still on today ..?

Best!

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Originally Posted By: WWII


Dean - greatful to you for providing such a bounty of food for thought ...

W~


No problem Bill, the pleasure is mine.
I'm greatful for the great perspetives, input, and info you offer.



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What a beautiful silkscreen print Dean!!! Amazing, lovely artwork, wow .. That Gymnasium still exists today, as Bundesgymnasium und Bundesrealgymnasium, in Mödling .. Thanks for showing!!!


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Thanks Krullies.Apprecite the info.

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Anytime Dean!! This is also a great one, nice topic for a paper!! Deutschösterreich, was an unofficial name, and was made official in oktobre 1918 after the end of the first world war by the last Reichsrat (imperial council, more here). Has to do with the Vertrag von Saint-Germain.

Republik Deutsch-österreich
Deutsch-österreich ist Republik.
Wollt Ihr des Vaterlandes Glück,
Gebt dem Lande statt Parteienstreit,
Freiheit, Gleichheit, Brüderlichkeit


Republic of German-Austria
German-Austria is a republic. If you want the fatherland to be happy give the country freedom, equality, fraternity instead of politcal party disputes.

I cant make out the name below it sorry ..Thanks for showing!! Nice illustration, strong with meaning, great colors!!


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Interesting reading Krullies, Thanks.
The impression I took away from the card's art was importance and pride of bloodline/heritage and what handing that down to future generations meant at one time.

Heres another card to keep things going.

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Posted in 1909.

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One of many great images by Dean. And, one of our longest threads

Dean is awarded a "Great Thread" badge. Well deserved!

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Dean,

Good job and well deserved! Congratulations! Always a pleasure looking in and following this thread.

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Sir Dean,

Bravo!

Congratulations and thanks are in good order for your many fine contributions to this wonderful thread, you've made it outstanding.

Without a doubt, you've posted some of the finest, imperial German graphic-art I've had the pleasure to see. In conversations with other fellow collectors, many agree, your collection is nothing short of remarkable.

I'd also like to thank our Karin-Renate for always lending a hand - her diligent research, interpretaions and translations make looking at the images that much better.

Dave, good choice.

Best!

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Yay Dean congratulations!!! You deserve the badge, so much, thanks!!!!

The Lebenslüge card is stunning btw, by Goltz from Vienna, la mensouge de la vie, it hides behind the flowers ..

Who painted the Germanen Zu Kampf Und Sieg? Is there a name? Nice the officer in the clouds.


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Wish I had something to add to this mesmerizing thread. I have throughly enjoyed viewing all the art work and reading the informative posts. I look forward to much more.

A well deserved badge. cool

Thanks to Bill for envisioning and captaining this thread. smile

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Thanks for the badge and kind responses.

Bill's many great threads and outstanding contributions to the forum are something I always have looked forward to learning from.

I appreciate anyone who commented or gave input on the cards.

Krullies- theres no artist name on the Kampf und Sieg card and thought the officer resembled Bismark.

I have a new arrival I'm trying to figure out and Google Translate doesn't seem to make much sense. Durch came up as by???
On the back is Mitteilungen.

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I got across or through for Durch.

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durch is a preposition meaning "through" (by means of), or "through" (by the use of) - this looks like an imperative use as it's just one word with an exclamation point. Mitteilungen is plural for "information", which is a little strange. The noun is die Mitteilung, meaning "message", "notice", "post" "information". I couldn't find another definition in my dictionaries. Could be the artist's name maybe? What about both words together meaning that the rider in the artwork is getting the message through - as in a messenger in war bringing information back to the rear from the front line? Sounds plausable.


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DURCH! THROUGH! Mitteilungen, Messages or maybe notifications. But I like messages. The artist is probably Adolf Hering, same artist and graphics guy that painted "Der Tod und das Mädchen". One of my favorites from your post cards. "I like spacey's explanation". As he explained, notice the winged helmet,reminds me of Mercury or the artists Germanic interpretation of this type of pagan god and it looks like a canister on his back? But instead of holding a caduceus, he's holding a sword to protect that message or possibly to deliver a strong one? And riding his horse through the water as if breaking through the lines. Artists heroic interpretation of a dispatcher on horseback? Great stuff. Thanks spacey and thanks for showing it Dean.

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