UBB.threads Forums Edged Weapons Hunting, Forestry, and Shooting Forum JAGDMESSER THREAD

Thank you all, it is always a true pleasure to share something with you.

The "hunting section" of our forum is just for certain admirers as this thread especially too.

@ WWII, as stated the knife has it�s unique features but by far not the quality -at least the selected materials- of an HG hunting weapon. These HG�s are superior. Here eg. the material is just stainless steel (perhaps at these times not common and I think also a bit expensive) but you are right, a "small pocket" HG hunting weapon . And, jes, as it (for me) shows more secrets than it offers it might fire someones imagination.
Regards,

Hello: Wotan
The trademark on the jagdmesser matches the company below:

( Gebr. Bohler & Co.) ( Wien I Elisabethstrasse 12)

But from what I see they made Waffenstahl and currently they are are still in the manufacture of steel..Or it may have nothing to do with this company..

I collect period reference and one of the super rare books I have is called the German trademark archive for steel,Iron and Metal-ware from 1943... it covers Germany and Austria... The book is broke down by what the trademark looks like or what symbol is used in the trademark... Regards: James Brown
Old advertisement on French e-bay:
http://cgi.ebay.fr/Reklame-Stahlwerke-Gebr-Bohler-Co-Berlin-Wien-1918-/390255360169?pt=Antiquarische_B%C3%BCcher&hash=item5add0838a9

Damast, well, that are interesting news! Could you -please- show the certain page(es) of the book here or can you send it at [email protected] ?
The B�hler works are still in action. But they were/are only known by producing iron and steel, not by manufacturing small hardware. Nevertheless the quality of the steel would fetch the prestigious firm.
If I could see the certain relation I perhaps can do further investigations.
Thank you for your interest and this information, regards,

Wotan

Your's is an amazing knife, I've never seen the like before and I doubt we'll see another again, I hope you can find out more about it now that James has found the manufacturer.

A great knife.

Gary

Here is a quick photo of the trademark in the book.May have something to do with the knife (or it may not) Regards: James

An amazing piece Wotan, The work is nothing short of perfect! If this were to be the maker (Bohler) that would tie in to the hunting and sporting arms theme very well. I have some beautiful works of art that are pre war and war time hunting guns with barrels made with "Bohler Stahl". Thanks for showing! Kevin.

@ DAMAST: Thank you very much for showing this schedule. It truely looks like the trademark I did search for such a long time. Now I have something to build up my investigations.

@ heers68, yes, B�HLER is well known for gun barrels steel, also eg. modern B�HLER Blitz (transl. lign�htning) or B�HLER Super Blitz which are kind of special steel for very thin (and therefore ligth) barrels for hunting rifles.

Regards,

A little off topic from hunting knifes but thought I would show a pair of Henckels damascus knifes.

A pleasure for the eyes! With stag horn grips these knives cannot be much off topic .
Thank you for showing such wonderful damast blades.
Regards,

Mikee,

Yes, that fine pair fits in here nicely. Love that Henckels qualiy in all their products, especially high-calibre blades like these.

Best!

B~

Mikee, If you mail them now, they will come just in time to carve the turkey in November. Love the blade work. James

My 1st shell puller knife. I found this "G. GRAFRATH, SOLINGEN" shell puller knife on eBay. It should arrive soon from Texas.

The master blade locks, and the small file blade is pushed down to release the lock.

My friend in Germany has a very similar knife that he dates to the 1910-1920 period. His knife has the "Bladed corkscrew worm" favored by the Germans.

He dates my knife to the 1920-1930 period partly because of the "Wire helix corkscrew worm".

The first 3 photos are my knife, and the last 2 photos are his knife he listed as: "Altes Taschenmesser Jagdmesser Federdrücker".

My "G. Grafrath, Solingen" Jagdmesser "shell puller" arrived from Texas yesterday. This knife is marked on the back of the tang with "Germany".

I think this maybe a 1950's knife.

So, I have asked my friend in Germany to forward my email to Herr Henning Ritter of Hubertus. Kuno Ritter acquired Gebr. Grafrath, Solingen in 1961.

Herr Ritter helped me date my Kuno Ritter, crown stag Nicker. Nr. 632 / 10cm Ro. I hope he can help me again.

Hey Wetzel,

Nice Jagdmesser. I will check my other reference material but so far my catalog doesn't show this exact one. I'm sure it's in one of the references. Found one similar but they all have different blade configurations and lengths. Best!

Nothing fancy but one I got years ago with an early HJ

Tanker,

I don't know looks pretty nice if you ask me. Thanks for sharing it!

I do like those Jagdnicker knives with the file work.

Hey Mikee, I found that the "G. Grafrath, Solingen" makers mark was used on the 1920's to 1930's knives.

Check out these crazy bottom bolster shell puller knives from the "Blade Blog" by Ulf Ahlstrom, on the flip card for "German shellpuller hunting knives - Jagdmesser mit Patronenzieher".

Here is the link: http://thebladeblog-ulf.blogspot.com/2016/03/german-shellpuller-hunting-knives.html?view=flipcard

Wetzel,

I have admired these lever locks with shell puller for quite some time. Awesome Thank you.

Back in Aug. 2023 I won an auction for a "TREE-BRAND" hunting knife with honey colored pick-bone handle and a custom 1940 to mid-1950's leather sheath. The price with shipping was $111.00.

This knife has the G-11 maker's mark: "H. BOKER & CO'S" over "CUTLERY" over "GERMANY" on the tang, with "TREE-BRAND" on the blade and a tree mark on the reverse side of the tang.

This Boker hunting knife is dated to 1891-1944. See: "A basic introduction to Boker tang stamps", 2009 Mark D. Zalesky and Knife World.

The sheath which is not the original sheath, has the owners name and Pocatello, Idaho where the owner lived from 1943 to about 1955.

These "TREE-BRAND", Boker hunting knives are also found with wood handles.

C. Wetzel-20609

I noticed this unmarked blade, Stag handle, Jagdmesser on the popular auction site listed for only $33.00 and thought I might be clever and get the seller a little more money.

So, I bid $55.00 and won the auction for $52.00 plus $12.65 S+H for a total of $64.85. This Jagdmesser was probably made in Ger. / Austr. / Czech. before 1945.

The sheath bottom fitting is secured with a staple and the snap fastener stud has a 4-pointed geometric star design (sometimes called a "Snowflake" design) that probably dates from about 1915 to late 1930's.

The sheath had a long, large black stain on the front and the stain was removed with FIEBING'S glycerine saddle soap and about 20 cotton balls. This brand of saddle soap has been around since 1895.

This Jagdmesser is well made, and I like it.

I received a reply from Herr Henning Ritter on 17 May 2024 about my Gebr. Grafrath shell puller Jagdmesser:

"Dear Mr. Wetzel,

I misplaced your mail sent nearly 4 weeks ago and did not respond by now. Please apologize.

My sincere compliments for completing your collection with an unusual Gebr. Grefrath multi bladed hunting knife.

An undated sales catalog (handwritten marked „Neue Preise ab 15.10.1927“ (Updated pricing effective Oct. 15th, 1927) is illustrating this knife with (?) pattern # 2687, previous price 72.00 Mark (Reichsmark).

My conclusion: the knife probably was made already all 1920s, possibly even post WWI.

Kind regards

Henning Ritter"

I noted to Herr Ritter there are some differences on my knife: my rear bolster has no grooves; the markings 12 GA & 16 GA are not on the shell puller quillons, but just below the quillons; the champagne blade and the pen blade are on different sides than the 1927 catalog knife.

C. Wetzel-20609

Hey Wetzel,

Nice knife! Great catch at a good price,thanks for showing it. Best!

Hello, some very nice Nicker here!
Let me show what I have:

A Henckels Nicker, 8cm blade, carbon steel, Henning Ritter says, most probably 1920-1930.


Here a Widman & Sohn München Nicker. Widmann had a cutlery shop in Munich and I think this knife could be from the early 20th century, unfortunately, I don't have any further information.
Below, a stainless Puma Nicker, maybe 40ies?


and here a W.Clauberg Nicker. This could be even late 19th century, youngest 1920 as in 1920 Clauberg was purchased with his "knight" logo by Anton Wingen.


..and the same model (1699 in the Anton Wingen Jr Catalogue from 1926) from Anton Wingen, regarding the logo, it could be from 1917.



If you have any further information on one of these knives, that would be GREAT!!!

Cheers
Nicolas

Surfer,

in my opinion (IMO) the "Othello head with shoulders" Anton Wingen Jr. Solingen" mark probably dates about 1917 through the 1920's.

The Puma knife sheath fittings with the middle notches and flat bottom is the type shown in the 1930 Puma catalog. Your Puma makers mark (Puma head, Puma Solingen Rostfrei) on the blade is later (IMO) and maybe dates from about 1936 thought the 1950's. So (IMO) the combination of the older sheath with the later knife could be about 1936 to 1945?

However sometimes the sheaths may not be original to the knife as an owner may have acquired a knife without a sheath and later found a sheath that fits. I have also seen collectors place the wrong sheaths on their Nicker knives, mixing things up.

C. Wetzel-20609

Thank you!!
Here, what I found about Widmann & Sohl München:



A certain Franz Widmann, founded in 1830, is a steel goods dealer (listed as a master cutler in the address book) at Stachus, Karlsplatz in Munich. Other Nicker, probably from the same time as mine, were made by Anton Wingen Jr., possibly also mine (?). Although I the Wingen Nicker knives do have a slightly different blade shape (less pointy / narrow tip).

At first the company name was Franz Widmann, then later, at the latest from 1911, “Widmann & Sohn Munich”.

The shop at Karlsplatz 10, a workshop on Hackenstr. 10., had existed since at least 1866.

There were probably also daggers from the Nazi era that bore the Widmann logo.

Curiosity: The American politician Cassius Marcellus Clay (1810-1903), who was probably a famous knife hero of the time, probably also had a Widmann Nicker in his collection. Although this date doesn't match with what I found, or the "Widmann & SON" name existed before 1911.



Regards
Nicolas

From Newspapers.com.

The McCook Republican, McCook, Nebraska · Friday, July 31, 1903.

Note: "White Hall" is on the pommel of the Nicker.

Hello,
the Wingen Othello nicker arrived today, it's identical to the Clauberg one, maybe the Clauberg with slighly better finish and attention to detail.










Regards
Nicolas