UBB.threads Forums Edged Weapons SA & NSKK Dagger Forum 1936 NSKK Motor Boat Dagger

Gentlemen,

I recently stumbled onto a very interesting dagger which appears correct to my "less than expert" eye but I would like to submit it here for review by the true expert community. I do not currently have the dagger in hand but will be able to handle it again in the near future. I've included some good but not great pictures that show the daggers detail and configuration. The gilded finish is not perfect but it is present and not simply "nicotine staining". There is some damage to the lower fitting ball and the upper fitting but otherwise nothing serious.

The blade tang is marked 1936 and 5. The 5 carries onto the crossguards, tang and grip. The maker mark is RZM 7/12 which I believe to be Weyersberg Max. The chain links appear to be magnetic. The inscription on the blade (see photo) is most interesting and I would like to deterimine if it is possible to research this. I have several more but don't want to burden the posting initially.

Please take a look and let me know your comments.

I see I'm back to one post....forget if I lost my original identity or it has just been too long since I last posted. I've come into several verynice daggers that I have to work on photographing.

One more to show detail on the NSKK Motor Boat chain. Tried a couple of others including the makers markings but they won't load....too big? I'll have to investigate resizing.....too much for this evening.

Rob C I would save your money for sure as there are some red flags on this and i am sure others will chime in on it. One thing for sure the crossguards especially the lower one marked with a B is the wrong size letter and should not be on a Late RZM dagger. I have never seen a number 5 inside of an early crossguard. I believe this is a parts dagger with a mix of non authentic parts. Others will be along to comment. Larry

Thanks Siegfried B I do value input and hope others do provide some comment. I seem to have lost 2 pics that I thought were in the original posting so here goes. Sorry for the "technical difficulties". They are made more difficult by a snail satellite connection.

A couple more since you have me wondering. These include the tang stamp "5", and the some of the details on the chain. Found Vern's resizer.

All tang with this "1936" inscription are fake dagger.
You can see this "1936" on many dagger (NSFK, SS, NSKK, RLB...), but always good qualitie old fake.

JC

I did a bit more sesearch last night on the inscription. This search yielded this hit on the internet.

http://www.worlddaggers.com/engine/inspect.asp?Item=658&Filter=Reproductions

The "B" Siegfried B mentioned as a concern is present on both daggers and they have the same paint chip markings. It appears to be the same dagger being sold (or previously sold) as a reproduction or maybe parts dagger with questionable inscription.

Matrese, I thank you for your info on 1936 tang markings and will file that away as reproduction criteria.

Looks like my hopes of a good find are fading away but my pocketbook is very happy!! Thanks to those who have responded! To make this a learning thread, are all parts real except the blade?

Actually, I think the one you show and the one on world daggers is the same dagger. The wear patterns of the gold finish look the same.

Where is this dagger now? Last I saw of it it swas sold for parts up in Reno.

I am really sick of those fake dedications

Thanks to all who provided comment. I learned a bit concerning the "1936" being older reproduction blades. Someone asked where this blade is. Based on what I discovered here, saw on the net, and had first hand knowledge of it appears like there are more than one of these out there. The one offerred to me currently resides on the east coast. Thanks again.

Mr. Matarese if the 1936 is in the ear of a leader NAPOLA is also wrong? thanks in advance