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#262123 03/23/2012 09:34 PM
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Hi All:

For those looking to invest their income tax refunds, there is the unground SS Röhm that just went up for sale on Tom Johnson's website. It is numbered to SS-Obersturmführer Hans Höhmann and is illustrated in Ralf Siegert's Die Dienstdolche der Schutzstaffel SS on p.294-295. The records of that naughty nazi Höhmann support his receipt of the SS Ehrendolch. It is also important to note that Höhmann was killed in Russia on 14 June 1942. No photos of him are available on this side of the pond. You can see it in the listing of new items at:
http://www.johnsonreferencebooks.com/cataloguemain.html

Enjoy!

Ross Kelbaugh
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POR Thats because a computer is not capable of showing all the zeros involved to display the price numerically.


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grip fit don't look right to me.

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think it was advertised as 28.5k


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Looks nice but im with Wags, grip to guard fit doesnt look quite right and when your spending the amount mentioned above, i would want it a bit better than that. JMO

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Hi All:

Thought this would be a good time to present the current list of 18 known unground Röhm SS Ehrendolch belonging to an identified naughty nazis. Please add any others not listed here. Might be another one added soon.

Identified Full Röhm SS Daggers 3.2012

SS No. 1890- SS-Obersturmführer Karl Huber. US Collection

SS No. 2117- SS-Obersturmführer Hans Höhmann, Siegert, Die Dienstdolche der Schutzstaffel SS, p.294-295; Johnson POR 3.2012

SS No. 2803- SS-Obersturmführer Erich Kempka, Leibstandarte, US Collection

SS No. 2924 (dagger is not numbered), SS-Sturmführer Ludwig Butz, Wittman pp. 65-65

SS No. 3681, SS-Obersturmführer Gerhard Feldman; Private Collection

SS No. 3798, SS-Standartenführer Helmut Schulz, Wittman, p. 69

SS No. 4758, SS-Brigadeführer Theodor Wisch (LSSAH), Wittman, pp. 80-81

SS No. 8689, SS-Hauptsturmführer Helmut Greve (LSSAH), US
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SS No. 14 246, SS-Untersturmführer Karl Kastner. NSDAP 170 948; Russland Collection

SS No. 17 827, SS-Obersturmführer Hans Spitt (LSSAH), Wittman, p. 70

SS No. 25 824, SS-Scharführer Erich Brauer (LSSAH), Kelbaugh Collection

SS No. 28 967, SS-Sturmbannführer Helmutt Schmitt, sold by Lakesidetrader

SS No. 33 062, SS-Sturmbannführer Heinz Linden (LSSAH), Eastern European Collection

SS No. 42 981, SS-Untersturmführer Anton Berlin, 3. SS-T Standarten "Thuringen" Private Collection

SS No. 44 884, SS-Obersturmführer Hans Prestin, Siegert, Die Dienstdolche der Schutzstaffel SS, p. 280-281

SS No. 44 894, SS-Obersturmbannführer Bernard Siebken; Gallery Item by Gottlieb 6.11

SS No. 59 382, SS-Sturmbannführer Hans Bünning (LSSAH), Wittman, p. 70-71

SS No. 76 637, SS-Obersturmführer Hermann Kötzold; Helmet Weitz; 7500 Euros, 8.10; Siegert, Die Dienstdolche der Schutzstaffel SS, p. 274-277

Enjoy!

Ross Kelbaugh
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Interesting to note that of the eighteen SS men listed above eight LSSAH members are shown to have retained their unground Roehm SS-Ehrendolch subsequent to the events of 30.6.1934; the LSSAH, of course, being the primary unit from which the Roehm purge action squads were drawn.

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Originally Posted By: Barry Brown
Interesting to note that of the eighteen SS men listed above eight LSSAH members are shown to have retained their unground Roehm SS-Ehrendolch subsequent to the events of 30.6.1934; the LSSAH, of course, being the primary unit from which the Roehm purge action squads were drawn.
Well, after all their honor was loyalty.


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Yes indeed, the mottoe given them by Adolf Hitler following suppression of a revolt by the Berlin SA against his authority in September 1930. However, as pointed out by Ross - "naughty nazis" to have retained those offending Roehm dedications contrary to SS orders and, perhaps, surprising that LSSAH members did so.

About 20 years or so back I owned one of the daggers listed by Ross, which I will not identify out of courtesey to and in consideration of its current owner. But I will say that it was near mint and showing very little sign of carrying wear, having being carefully and secretly preserved for reasons only known to the SS man concerned.

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I can imagine that some of the members of LSSAH would think of keeping these daggers unmessed with as souvenirs or mementos of their moment of glory... the purge of Rohm and his supporters.

John


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It's Item #1 in JRBMs List #111. He's asking $24.95 K. He also offered it for the same price in List #110.

For those who care, he also can make available, but does not own, one that belonged to a Panzer Leader in the LSSAH for $35K.

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The one thing that always worried me is that one can never be absolutely certain of who put the numbers on those SS Full Rohm's, and when. I speak from experience on the subject. The dagger one is studying may be perfect and a Full inscription Rohm, but the stamping of the numbers to attribute it to a certain person is quite difficult without a bulletproof line of provenance. Just my personal opinion.

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You raise an interesting issue Mark. At this point, I have now catalogued 21 identifiable unground SS Röhm's. I know of a just a few more that are not numbered and several that are but the SS men assigned those numbers are currently unknown. I would not be surprised if there are less than 30 total unground SS Röhms world wide. Wouldn't it be fun have the bucks to try and own them all! It would be a valuable exercise to document all that exist at least among our band of collectors. That would go a long way in helping to evaluate any that surface in the future. These are much rarer than Himmler daggers. I am sure all of these readers would be very interested to know more about your experience with an unground SS Röhm with a fake number.

And as a sidebar, I like to point out Ralf Siegert's chapter on Himmler daggers, in the English version of his The Service Daggers of the SS that will be out by the end of this month, is a real eye opener and helps to explain why there are so many Himmler's in such good condition. My planned book will take it even further by dispelling the myth through documentation and not speculation of when these were first made. And I have yet to see one of these numbered that I haven't questioned.

There are a few resources now that may help judge the authenticity of the numbers on Röhm daggers that I prefer not to discuss on a public forum. Certainly provenance is very, very important too. In regards to numbered SS daggers in general including M33 and Röhm, I have identified over 200 to SS men not in the SS-Dienstalterslistes. I know of another of these 600+ world-wide that are numbered and remain unidentified. How many of these are Röhm's I do not know since I have not examined them in hand. I don't know how many exist that are numbered to SS men in the SS-Dienstalterslistes, but it is a lot since I have personally researched a number of them. I believe careful evaluation is especially important with these. Maybe someday all of these numbered SS daggers can be inventoried and evaluated. Several stabs at this have been made at this online. It's the identification of the numbered "unknowns" that is such a slow process now. So if you have one that is identified, enjoy it's story as it is still part of a fairly exclusive club.

Enjoy!

Ross Kelbaugh

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