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Here one of my newer aquisitions.
It�s the much more rarer ALCOSO (WEYERSBERGs are more common) and has the proper DRP stamping with number.
Came with it�s full grouping with belt with PP buckle and several documents of the former wearer (proof that he was within the postal protection service).
Interestingly the frog, the leather flap of the buckle and belt are DRP property stamped. Sorry, do not show this due to protect from fakers. These details are very valuable to know when it comes to decide if an item is original or not.
Unfortunately I still cannot work properly with the format to show pics here so you will have to accept this small one.
Would be glad to see here any other postal protection service bajonets.
Regards,

Wotan:

Here is one on Paul's site:

http://www.lakesidetrader.com/pics/BA-255d.jpg

Disclosure: this one was mine before I traded to Paul.

John

Wotan very nice,

I only have the one and it needs upgraded. I would like to pick up a walther PPK thats marked with DRP to go with it.

steve,

nice

As much as I love these DRP bayonets I even hate them more. The numbers are very confusing. What I'm getting at are the numbering system. In Wheelers book I Quote

Only two manufacturers are known to have made the Postschutz KS98. The first contract appears to have been let to Alexander Coppel for 1000 bayonets. Postschutz KS 98 will be found with the familiar ALCOSO scales logo which are stamped with large size serial numbers up to 999. A later contract appears to have been given to Paul Weyersberg for additional KS 98s, as DRP marked bayonets well be found with this commercial logo, which are stamped with smaller size serial numbers over 1000.

End quote

There are a lot of DRP bayonets out there that doesn't fall into this numbering scheme. I have one of those (photo attached). Mine is one of those that fall outside the numbering system. If you look closely there is plating in the bottom of my 905 number which means it was done at the factory or someone un-plated the blade stamped the number and then re-plated it. I will be the last person to say Wheelers book is wrong, I respect the author for all the time in research and writing. Maybe I just got took and can't admit it.

Terry:

I once owned a 3 digit Wuersberg as well, and, sure enough, Wheeler's book did cause me some concern.

But, I posted it here and after some discussion, we agreed that the book is probably wrong in that one matter.

John

There is a nice one listed on ebay item #200708704811 if it checks out. Sometimes you can still get a good deal when these are found and listed there. maybe someone here wants one,anyway just thought i would bring it up for you.

I just noticed that this one is only 17 digits away from the one steven has shown at the top of the thread.

Due to the fact that WEYERSBERG obviously did have the sole contract for leader�s daggers I would assume that the first run for bayonets also was done by them and the ALCOSO company started later. It is to mention that they (WEYERSBERG) also did the run on combat bajonets. I do own also a combat bajonet by WEYERSBERG, sorry I have it not by hands and don�t remember what number it bears.
But all only an assumption.
All I can say is that my ALCOSO walk out bayonet has the 1xxx digit number, therefore would/does also not conform with Wheeler�s book.
I find it additionally interesting that there seems also be no strict rule if the DRP marking is above or beneath the number stamping.
Thank you all for contributing, I hope there are some more to be seen. No one more with full rig with troddel???
Regards,

I have a 3 digit WEYERSBERG as well in my collection.

Here's the link for the Eban DRP:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200708704811


Andrei,

Nice DRP, it looks familiar!

Andrei,

Nice DRP, it looks familiar! [/quote]

Yes Billy, I still have it and really happy from day one

Next question, were these stamped at the factory during manufacturing process or locally. We must admit that there are fakes out there, how do we tell the difference.

If you look at page 138 in Gary Walker and R Weinand book you can see one that I assume was a veteran purchase. The DRP letters seem to be a different type size and style than the numbers. The DRP letters don't seem to have as much metal raised around the letters as the numbers. You can bet the numbers and letters were stamped by two different people.

More later, my daughter is installing a new router.

What I could observe there are some -originals- which look very equal in stamping like the one shown by you and also some with have an obvious difference between the "DRP" stammping and the number. Might be caused 1. by the different makers WEYERSBERG and ALCOSO, 2. by different runs and 3. by differing care of the craftsmen. You also can observe that the stamps did wear down as I could observe original examples which eg. did miss the "I" line from the "D".
Fortunately up to now there are few fakes around which easily can be detetcted. Fortunately it is not tooo easy to fake them simpy by a stamp as certain complexe features are observable on originals.
Naturally it is the nicest thing to buy it out of the family of the former wearer, together with other (in details fitting) items of the postal protection service, together with the original documents and documentation.
Regards,

Here's my entry. I passed up an Alcoso with an unusual Postal knot a number of years ago & have regretted it since. This one's a Weyersberg.

Hello Billy, from the outside just a twin. Nice!
May I ask how the "uncommon knot" was, can you describe it? I do have a wearing-pic with a PP-man with a for sure distinct portepee. Naturally it is hard to describe from a bw photograph but for sure it is distinct one from what we both show here, obviously darker. Perhaps here we have the NCO knot and tehre was a man�s variant? Just an assumption.
Regards,

The Weyersberg bayonet with this particular early stamped TM is almost impossible to find without markings therefore almost impossible to fake as a DRP piece. So, IMO that would be the maker of choice to look for. There are mistakes in any book---and not just one.

Wotan,

The knot is much as it appears in the picture although I believe the grey is, in reality, slightly darker than it appears in my picture which was taken recently on a bright morning.

It's interesting you mention a different knot for the Postschutz bayonet. I have a picture on another computer with just such an animal, something I had never seen before or since. I think it had a leather strap. Will search to find it shortly.

Here's the earlier mentioned knot, unusual to say the least.

Cat's anus.

View of knot with frog & Alcoso DRP bayonet. Pics from an older CGM auction.

Hello BillyG,
thank you very much for posting this highly interesting bayonet/knot. I have never seen such before and I have not the least doubt this one to be an original out of the period. We again see that we know so few about these items especially knots. There was a lot of variants which the collectorship is not aware. I also could observe doubtless period variants for eg. railroadprotection service.
Here I show the certain PS troddel in wear. I took a loupe and I found that even in a b/w photograph the head of the acorn is much darker than it could be by the common knot (shown in my first post). But after some time it also could be only due to the light and the photograph. The photograph is so clear that you can see (with a loupe) the stripes on the cord and again they are more bright than the acorn�s head.
Regards,

Just for interest, I do own another wearing pic wherein the acorn AND the acorn�s head have obviously the same color nearly a bright white. But on this certain photograph I cannot see the stem and the strap so it COULD be that the PS-man is simply wearing an "army-company-troddel". Or another variant? Who knows.
regards,

Just for fun and laughs. Very, very rare item on ebay "Postal bayonet" http://www.ebay.com/itm/190643086598?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

What a poor excuse for a Reichspost bayonet, very rare indeed.