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#255333 11/29/2011 09:48 PM
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I recently received two new maker marks into my Eickhorn collection of HJ knives.

I want to share them with you, along with their other Eickhorn family of knives.

I will lead off with my transitionals, those knives dated 1938 and up. None of my transitionals are mottoed.

First up is a 1938.

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Blade Side 1.JPG (39.67 KB, 456 downloads)
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Nest is my 1939 dated HJ.

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Hilt Obverse.JPG (39.55 KB, 454 downloads)
Hilt reverse.JPG (39.9 KB, 453 downloads)
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This is a 1940 dated version.

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Hilt reverse.JPG (39.09 KB, 448 downloads)
Blade Obverse.JPG (40.08 KB, 447 downloads)
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Here is the first version I have of the 1941 dated transitional.

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Obverse Grip.JPG (39.76 KB, 447 downloads)
Reverse Grip.JPG (39.64 KB, 450 downloads)
Obverse Blade.JPG (38.45 KB, 443 downloads)
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The second version I have has the 1941 date, but no RZM code and no squirrel.

This is probably a mis strike at the Eick plant.

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Obverse Grip.JPG (39.23 KB, 447 downloads)
Obverse Blade.JPG (39.5 KB, 444 downloads)
Reverse Grip.JPG (39.49 KB, 440 downloads)
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I also have two versions of the 1942 marked knife.

This first one has the over shoulder squirrel (with the word 'Original') and the RZM code with the date, 1942.

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Hilt obverse.JPG (39.73 KB, 439 downloads)
Hilt reverse.JPG (40.1 KB, 439 downloads)
Blade obverse.JPG (39.19 KB, 435 downloads)
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And, this one, which just arrived today, has only the RZM code and the year... no squirrel no other writing.

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Obverse Grip.JPG (40.14 KB, 431 downloads)
Obverse Blade.JPG (39.44 KB, 425 downloads)
Reverse Grip.JPG (41.6 KB, 426 downloads)
Reverse Balde.JPG (39.72 KB, 426 downloads)
TM RZM 7-66 1942 No Squirrel.JPG (39.92 KB, 425 downloads)

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This one has a faint motto and the 35-41 seated squirrel motto.

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Obverse Grip.JPG (39.95 KB, 422 downloads)
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We now get into my oval TM Eickhorns.

I will show you one then take a break for a while and leave the double ovals for a later time.

This is a poor shape knife for sure. But, it also has the very early single oval serrated tail TM, probably one of the earliest of productions for TR era.

John

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Obverse Grip.JPG (39.97 KB, 417 downloads)
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Obverse Etch.JPG (39.77 KB, 423 downloads)
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We now get into my oval TM Eickhorns.

I will show you one then take a break for a while and leave the double ovals for a later time.

This is a poor shape knife for sure. But, it also has the very early single oval serrated tail TM, probably one of the earliest of productions for TR era.

John

Obverse.JPG (40.3 KB, 421 downloads)
Reverse.JPG (40.59 KB, 421 downloads)
Obverse Grip.JPG (39.97 KB, 418 downloads)
Reverse Grip.JPG (39.54 KB, 416 downloads)
Obverse Grip Insert.JPG (41.23 KB, 414 downloads)
Obverse Etch.JPG (39.77 KB, 415 downloads)
TM.JPG (39.24 KB, 415 downloads)

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John, this is a very nice collection, but the first one is incredibly mint.
Congrats
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pretty incredible collection john from Navals to HJs,,You are the Eickhorn go to guy!! Now i know where to go for advice. Nice collection again!! best regards larry


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Thanks, guys, I appreciate your comments.

Now, we go into the Eickhorn double oval world.

When you look across the early blades that Eickhorn produced, you will see many many different versions of the double oval TM.

Does it have the C.E. under the squirrel or not?

Is it a smooth tail or a serrated tail? If serrated, does it have one, two or three serrations?

Is it a straight arm, bent arm or crossed arm squirrel?

Does the squirrel have short ears or long ears? Ears close together or spread apart?

Does the word 'Solingen' have a dot, an 'x', a five sided star or an asterisk '*' above the letters 'S' and 'N'?

Is it a large mark or a small mark?

Look across at your early HJs, KS98s of all strips, police bayos, SAs, NSKKs, Hunting and Forestries and you will wee many of these variations in the TM.

First up in the double ovals is what I think may very well be a smooth tail (hard to tell it's pretty faded.. and I ask that you tell me what you think). This has the bent arm squirrel with the ears close together and 'x' above 'Solingen'.

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Obverse Etch.JPG (39.73 KB, 388 downloads)
Obverse Grip Insignia.JPG (40.43 KB, 388 downloads)
Reverse Grip.JPG (39.04 KB, 391 downloads)
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This is a serrated tail with three serrations, bent arm, long eared squirrel with 'x' above 'Solingen'.

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And, this is the serrated tail with two serrations, straight arm, long eared with the '*' above 'Solingen'.

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reverse straight arm.JPG (38.66 KB, 381 downloads)
Hilt obverse.JPG (40.54 KB, 382 downloads)
Blade straight arm.JPG (41.93 KB, 381 downloads)
Hilt reverse.JPG (39.95 KB, 380 downloads)
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This last one has the serrated tail with three serrations, straight arm, long ear and a six pointed star above the 'Solingen'. Note that this is a star not an asterisk.

That's it for the variations in my collection as of today's date. But, as new ones come in I will post them here.

John

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Obverse Grip Insignia.JPG (39.39 KB, 383 downloads)
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John,

Your threads like this are always an education in themselves as well as being very enjoyable to look at.


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That is a super collection of Eickhorn HJ's, John!

Very impressive!

And congratulations with finding all these variants!

Best greetings,

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Thanks, again, guys.

Herman, you of all people know how many more variants there are out there, don't you?

Right now, I am waiting to pick up one from Paul Hogle next week and am in the bidding process on another. When you look at all of the potential combinations of the double oval variations, it boggles the mind.

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Yes, some of the differences of double ovals are more obvious side by side.

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Hj Eick dbl oval mm compare.jpg (92.24 KB, 341 downloads)
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Nice photography as always John. That's a couple of very nicely conditioned double ovals, now I've got to look to see which one my example is.


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I beleive Eickhorn knew what they were doing with all these variations, because with them being a mass producer, IMO I think this was away for them to keep track of production pieces at various times. Its always one small variation and then a big production run. and again another variation and another big run. These are just thoughts and not facts but would make sense in large production runs. Larry


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John, this is a great educational thread on Eickhorn trade marks, your knifes are real nice condition too wink

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Vintage:

The one on the right is one that I have, but I haven't seen a laughing squirrel mark before...

Anytime that you wish to find a new home for the laughing boy there, give me a shout.

Beauties and in fantastic shape, too.

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Thanks, John,

We appreciate your collection and your willingness to show it to us. The condition of these knives is fantastic.

The HJ were really boy scouts and tended to use and sharpen their knives, so finding mint ones is very hard.

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Thanks, John,

We appreciate your collection and your willingness to show it to us. The condition of these knives is fantastic.

The HJ were really boy scouts and tended to use and sharpen their knives, so finding mint ones is very hard.

Dave

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Great analysing of the Eickhorn double oval stamp, John! Thanks a lot!

I have a couple additions to make:

- Some minor differences are in my opinion only due to the wear of the marking stamp: certain variations in "*" 's and "x"'s and squirrels with or without an eye.

See the added picture: one of the "*" became half a "x"

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Another variation is the presence or not of the "Ges. Geschutzt" marking.

See the variation without hereunder:

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Most of the marks are stamped but there is also an etched variation -it could have been the solluton to avoid the stamp wear-.

The etched variation was alredy showed, but here is another one:

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Eickhorn was also one of the few producers of an early version plated blade HJ knife.

With a double oval mark!

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Best greetings!

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Hermann:

I knew that I could cont on you to show some new and rare variations.

I still think that the 'x' and the '*' are two different marks used by Eickhorn, like the 5 and the 6 pointed stars.

I didn't realize that they produced a plated blade.. wow!

Thanks for adding to this thread, Hermann and Vintagetime.

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You are all great knives in superb conditions.
With a wide variety of markings, congratulations for successfully bring them together
What makes the collection of interest is found Eickhorn always marked it does not!
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A question for you HJ afficiandos out there:

Is there a stamped and an etched version of the transitional Eickhorn TM?

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Here is my 16th Eickhorn HJ knife.

It is a transitional with both the 35-41 seated squirrel and the RZM 7/66 maker marks. It is dated 37.

And, it has the motto.

John

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WOW! Thats nice. Who wouldn't want this in their collection! Thanks for always sharing your fantastic collection.

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That Eickhorn 1937 version is very touch to find!

Congratulations, John, with another great addition to your most impressive Eickhorn collection!

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John Congrats, a very nice 37 dated Transitional Eickhorn into your great collection!!!

I just bought a very similar Transitional Eickhorn hj knife with no date on the ricasso with motto & small daimond insignia so i guess mine dates from 35-36?

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Yes,that's some collection John.
Who would have thought,that so many variations one company had,unbelievable

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I have a transitional Eick with no date and no motto.

And, the earliest transitional dated one is this 1937 date.

John


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