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I would like to share with you my little collection of Eickhorn marked Forestry and Hunting daggers and cutlasses.

I will do this in the same sequences as the 1938 Eickhorn Kundendienst.

First up is model No 1713.

This is a senior forestry cutlass with a pheasant on the clamshell, the etched hunter closest to the crosguard and white grip. It also has the late war over shoulder squirrel TM.

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Catalogue No 1712 is the same cutlass as 1713... it has the pheasant on the clamshell, the etched hunter closest to the crossguard, but it has stag grips.

And, it also has the 35-41 seated squirrel TM.

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Number 1189 is a cutlass, has scalloped clamshell, the etched deer is closest to the crossguard and has a stag grip.

It also sports the Eickhorn double oval serrated tail TM.

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No 427 is the same pattern... scalloped clamshell, cutlass, etched deer closest to the crossguard. This one has the white grips (called Eisenbeinschalen in the catalogue) and it sports the double oval serrated tail TM.

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Pattern 1059 is a cutlass with a deer on the clamshell, an etched deer closest to the crossguard and white grips.

It also has the 35-41 seated squirrel TM.

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No 1212 is the stag gripped version of the above... deer on clamshell cutlass, etched deer closest to the crossguard and the 335-41 seated squirrel TM.

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Now, we have a couple of Hunting Daggers.

No. 1692 is a stag gripped hunting dagger with scalloped clamshell, etched deer closest to the crosguard and with the double oval serrated tail TM.

Note the hunting insignia on the grip.

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a beautiful collection as usual John

See you at the Max
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The other Hunting Dagger in the catalogue is No 1711. This one is also stag gripped, has a pheasant on the clamshell, has the etched hunter closest to the crossguard and sports the 35-41 seated squirrel TM.

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Here is a Forestry pattern that is not in the 1938 Eick catalogue.

It is a deluxe short cutlass with stag grips, a deer head on the clamshell, the etched hunter closest to the crossguard and has the 35-41 seated squirrel TM.

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And, here is another one that isn't in the 1938 catalogue.

We discussed this in another thread here, and the scabbard may not be original to the dagger, but, what the heck, I collect these things for the blades and the etches anyway.

It is a stag gripped Forestry Dagger with scalloped clamshell, a deer closest to the crossguard and has the 35-41 seated squirrel TM.

It also has an etch pattern that is unique compared to all of the ones that we have seen here before. It also has the term 'Ges. Geschutzt' or patent pending.

That's it for now, my friends, but I now that after the MAX, there will be more to follow.

John

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John-Superb collection!
You really should get a ticket to see Gary's collection if you like this stuff,its awesome!-maybe he'll post some if we ask real nicely!
I have been looking for a decently priced 1711 myself for a long time-tough to come by and cleverly faked these days.
Again, great to see your pieces

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A couple of these did actually come from Gary (the 1692 directly from him and the unnumbered one with the deer head on the clamshell came from Gary by way of Tom W).

I purchased the 1711 from another Paul (Hogle, that is).

Thanks for your comments.

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Wonderful! A real pleasure for the specialized eye. You know I also have a focus in hunting sidearms of this period. Shown elswhere in the forum. As a addition to your large collection would be my white gripped pendant to post #251529, the deluxe short pattern which is not in EICKHORN�s list.
And, as a personal gift from me to myself grin , a 1711 is on it�s way to me.
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.......and knowing you Wotan, it will be absolutely mint, and probably in the issue bag! LOL


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Hi Gents,

Just wanted to congratulate John on the Eickhorn Hirschf�nger collection so far - looks great !! wink

Waidmannsheil. grin

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@Paul: Thank you, but bagged items are much more rare and difficult to locate than most collectors would guess. But it is (imo) a nice conditioned one with a nice shaped, deep brown stag grip. I will show when it has arrived.
Here is my mentioned white gripped pendant to post #251529, the deluxe short pattern which is not in EICKHORN�s list.
But nothing to top John�s collection!
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Absolutely gorgeous-and with ALL the right accoutrements-and superb photography to boot!

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Wotan:

I echo Paul... that is a beauty. Show us more, please.

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Wotan,

Very nice and I never tire of seeing your collection. Please show your addition when it arrives! Thanks.

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Thank you all for your kind comments. I don�t want to highjack JohnZ�s thread. Here only three pics more of my dagger above, I have shown them already alswhere in this forum.

Unfortunately do to the mad mad mad mail service the 1711 did it not to the certain, small show where it should be delivered to me. So I have to wait for a certain time to get it.

But in this certain show I was lucky enough to get more than compensated, see the "1051/1067" thread grin.

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Speechless....................

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Not maker marked, but listed in the Eickhorn catalogue as No 1447, a light hunting spear.

This item stands over 6 feet tall and is a neat complement to my other Eickhorn marked hunting and forestry blades.

John

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Very cool.

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Neat !

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Eickhorn catalogue number 1781 is a white handled shooting association dagger.

Most of these are found with the handle cracked since it was made with a very thin film of plastic over a wood grip. As the wood expanded and contracted over the years due to temperature and humidity changes, the plastic would crack.

At this year's MAX, this wonderful, and totally crack free shooting dagger was delivered to me from the great Baz69 collection.

I personally carried the grip in my carry on baggage to avoid any problems while the rest of the dagger rode in the depressurized luggage compartment.

Enjoy the pics as I enjoyed taking them.

John

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JohnZ,

Nice pig sticker! But that dagger is very nice!

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Super Stuff John, with the best provenence available.

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A nice addition this wild boar spear. We here call it "sow feather" obviously due to the form of the blade/peak.
And this DSchV with it�s uncracked grip and in marvelous condition is again a pleasure for the eye. Where do you find this sought after items????
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Here FINALLY is my 1711. Was not cheap but look what a dagger! The emblem nicely wiggles. The deep patination, build up during 60+ years is overwhelming and the stag grip - simply to die for. Hope you like it as much as I do.
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Like it? You bet! Fabulous Wotan, I'm still trying to find one in this condition-awesome,congratulations

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Paul, there are some 1711 around but imo you have to look carefully concerning mm, overall condition, patination, stag grip form and graining (imo one of the central special points of a 1711; I don�t like it if the grip is too heavy, it has to have nice proportions), accoutrements and finally wearing and age traces. So even when there are some few around and you are willing to pay the right sum it still is not too easy to find the right one.
Thank you for looking.
Much luck to you for finding the right one for you.
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That's a fantastic example of a 1711, an awesome sight. I doub't I have seen any better than this one.

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Thank you Gary, when YOU say this...! Interestingly, this piece (due to minute wear on the portepee and the hanger) was really worn but -thanks to collectors god ;)- very short and unintensive.
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What a stag. It knocked me right out of my rocking chair. Truly the best of the best.
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That is one fantastic 1711.

Love it.

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wotan,

That's one heck of a stag grip on a fine Hirschfanger. Just absolutely gorgeous and thanks for making my day!

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Wotan,

In a word, "exceptional.."

That grip makes one hungry, it looks like fine English toffee!

Best!

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Thank you all for looking and taking time for a comment. I have much pleasure with this piece. And, yes, the grip is the sugar icing.
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I picked up two more Forestry daggers at the MAX this year.

This first one is Pattern no 26 in the catalog even though it has the double oval with CE TM.

This is a stag gripped dagger with scalloped clamshell and has the jumping deer etched closest to the crossguard.

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The second Forestry dagger is a variant of pattern no 36.

It is a stag gripped dagger with a stag on the clamshell and with a standing deer closest to the crossguard. The actual 36 pattern etch is the same as on the one above, pattern 26, so that you can see that this is a variation on that pattern.

It has the 35-41 seated squirrel TM.

Both of these daggers came from Baz69... thank you, Gary.

John

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John, two very appealing hunting daggers. As ever when you show one in brilliant condition. I have to admit that, without seeing the TM, I would have put the second one in the pre 33 section. For me it is very interesting to see that these more private looking hunting daggers were also manufactured this way during 33-45.
Your thread is a remarkable comprehensive of EICKHORN�s hunting edged weapons as are your daggers themselves.
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I had a chance to upgrade my pattern No 1189.

This pattern is a Forestry Cutlass, with a scallop clamshell, deer closest to the crossguard, stag grips and the 35-41 seated squirrel TM.

It is in simply stunning shape and comes with a frog and an Eickhor tag (with the paper insert.

I amy have to go to two posts to show it all to you in its glory.

Thank you, Bill Warda, for giving me the opportunity to acquire this beauty.

John

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This is the piece John,

Absolutely stunning. As said before, I had the honor of checking this fine piece out on a previous trip to Bill's, and although you take some beautiful pictures John, there is no exception for a hands on inspection. What a beauty. I think I read somewhere you liked Eickhorns.grin

Thanks for showing and refreshing my mind of a great trip to Bills.

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John,

Very nice and congratulations on adding the finest daggers out there to your already amazing collection.

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Superb addition to an outstanding collection-your a lucky guy John-Congratulations

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Now that's what I cal a hirschf�nger, a fantastic looking piece and I'm assuming it could not be upgraded, you really have the best of the best, congratulations.

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John, I don't think it could be better, congrats


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John Z,

Glad you're enjoying the Hirschf�nger now, it's a pleasure helping you add to your fine collection. Still have my eye open for a good clean Eickhorn Standhauer. (1720 1056) Eventually we'll find one of those for you too ... wink

Appreciate seeing all the goodies from your world-class collection that you post for us. I hope it will inspire our younger collecting friends to surpass us by leaps and bounds!

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Here is one of two Forestry pieces that I picked up at this year's MAX show (thank you, again Baz69).

It is a Sr Forestry cutlass (with ivory coloured grips)with the golden acorns on the grip plates. It is a pattern not found in the 1938 catalogue, but I did show the Jr version of this (with stag grips) on page 1 of this thread.

It has the hunter in the etch closest to the crossguard and sports the late 42 over shoulder squirrel TM.

A thing of beauty indeed.

John

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A real beauty and congratulations. It's always a pleasure seeing your latest treasures.When you get some time I'm sure all of us would enjoy seeing your other find as well.

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Yes,that's a beauty as always,congratulation my friend


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Very nice dagger with this late trademark which I personally do like very much. It is amazing how EICKHORN did hold quality even during the late years.
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And, here is the second one that I came back with from the MAX. It is a model that is not in the 1938 catalogue nor in the 1932 Waldmannswaffen from Eickhorn. Somewhere around 1936, Eickhorn stopped making Forestry daggers with attached skinning knives (at least for regular orders).

This model sports the pre 1935 double oval TM.

Two reasons for me to acquire this were the blade and the attached skinning knife.

John

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I found this just before the MAX, but it did not arrive until this week.

It is an early (double oval serrated tail with CE Eickhorn squirrel marked) longer blade.

Several unique, to me, features of this dagger are the pommel, the clamshell, the scabbard tip and the etch.

I have three of these Eickhorn etches with the standing stag over the words 'Ges. Geschutz'.

First the dagger.

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The Etches, first group is the obverse, then the reverse etches.

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I have three of these etch patterns.. the ones with the standing stag over 'Ges. Geschutz'.

One scallop and two other clamshells. Two have the 35-41 seated squirrel TM and this last one has the double oval serrated tail mark.

John

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Man! JohnZ, the first hunting dagger you show here (the one with the cloverleaf formed clamshell) is obviously the one I was looking for in my recent thread "Question for the experts here". In the photograph it is only missing the crossguard but pommel, clamshell and lower scabbard fitting do fit imho 100%.

Nice hunting daggers you have! Thank you for showing.

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Thanks to Bill Warda, who first pointed me to this on e-ban, then helped me acquire it when the seller refused to sell to the Great White North, this is my second Forestry dagger with a skinner.

It has the double oval serrated tail with no CE Eickhorn TM and the fairly standard deer, hunter etch on the obverse with the dogs, boar and hunter on the other.

The pictures kinda ********, sorry, gut I have to show it to you anyway.

John

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I now have two double oval serrated tail versions of the Eickhorn Forestry daggers, both with skinners.

One has the TM with CE and the other not.

Here they are:

John

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Here are better shots of the dagger and the etches.

John

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Beautiful pieces John,congrats

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Very nice Hirschfangers and nice to see the skinners intact. You have one heck of a nice collection.

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Nice stuff John, anything that still has it's original skinning knife is in my opinion rare to find, congratulations on you continuing to find such lovely examples of forestry daggers.
Got one of these? this one a nice early shooting association dagger.

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Thanks, guys.

Gary, the only shooting association dagger by Eickhorn that I have is the later one with the white grip that cracks so very easily. I remember buying it from you and so carefully taking the grip home with me separate from the dagger.

John

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Nice shooter John!


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John

I remember that one,since then I think I have only ever seen one other shooting association dagger without a cracked grip.You got some beautiful stuff. I'm going to be bringing this early shooting piece with me to the SOS along with another surprise if you are interested.

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Gee, Gary, I am always interested in Eickhorn items.

See you at the show.

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Here is my shooting assc.
Sorry John its only a Klaas.
No cracks in the grip

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I remember that one as well.

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Hope you do my friend-and hope you come back from SOS with more goodies!
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Paul:

Great Klaas. I guess that came via Gary, as well.

Gary seems to be the dealer that satisfies our hunting, forestry addiction. thank you, Gary.

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Gary brought to the SOS two Eickhorn Shooting Association daggers. When I saw them, I knew that I had to have both.

This one is about the same size as the white gripped shooting dagger that is pattern 1781 in the 1938 catalogue. But, it has stag grips, acorns in the hilt and a double oval serrated tail TM.

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The second shooting association dagger has the 35-41 seated squirrel TM, definitely making it of TR era production. But, this, too, has stag grips, the shooting association clamshell and the acorns in the hilt.

What makes this dagger unique though is its smaller size. It is about 3/4 the size of the above dagger or the 1781 pattern with the white grip.

The last pictures shows the two stag gripped shooters side by side to highlight the size difference.

And, yes, I did have a pretty good SOS, thanks to my friends, like Gary and Eric and Joe.

John

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I saw this Sr Forestry dagger at the SOS, but waited until some time after the show to finally decide to try and get it.

I already had a very nice No 1713 pattern forestry and it had the 42 over shoulde Eickhorn trademark, so it was a tough call to replace it with this one.

Two reasons for the decision:

1 - this one is in slightly better condition. Actually, the only thing I can find fault with is that it has a couple of small dings in the back of the lower scabbard fitting.

2 - it has a distributor mark that I have never seen before, and unlike most of such marks, this is on the obvers and under the clamshell instead of on the spine.

So, here it is,

John

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This 1713 is very interesting as it does proof that the sistributor�s mark has had to be set before final assemblance, so EICKHORN did have this stamp in house.
Nice condition.
Otherwise, I personally would not have let go the one with the 41- trademark...
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What is really interesting about this piece is that Cottbus was the only known distributor of Eickhorn Forestry and Hunting pieces, this is the first Eickhorn I have ever seen with a different distributor. A great find and one in it's own way is very rare.

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One of the hardest to find items from the Eickhorn catalogue is this hunting knife, pattern number 1056. You can see this pictured in the Kundendienst in the Forestry-Hunting section of the catalogue.

It has stag grips, 3 rivets, a straight crossguard and a leather scabbard. And, the 1935-41 seated squirrel TM.

While the dagger shows its age and the leather on the scabbard does as well, it was a no-brainer for me when I saw this available on the Cashi collection web site. The leather strap with the buckle has broken off of the rest of the strap. I will be looking to have it repaired. These things can`t all be in the super shape that Gary S finds, can they wink

I hope you like it as much as I do.

John

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Great "working mans" Eickhorn, I like it! Kevin.


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nice find John,i have never seen this type before,congrats

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hi ivan
spent the week end with that 1960s burn out and rubber hole harris the syracuse show sucked no treasures very very slow no money sure hope max will help us see you in max hope the baby is doing good best heydrich

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hi ivan
sorry for above message to you i will explain to you at max show we both call each outher names for fun didnt mean to use these words on this forum im sorry if i offended any one thanks andy militarynur

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Andy:

If you are talking about DD, I think you are doing him an injustice...he isnt totally burned out, yet wink

I love him, too.. he is an prince of an asset to the collecting community.

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hi john z
yes dd is the best most humble guy in this hobby i know i broke him in as a student to this great hobby he calls me his father and lately he calls me the master wonder why . the syracuse show was a bust when they opened saterday usually approx 800 people on line approx 75 were on line saterday when they opened sad but true no jobs no buying just nickle/dime items was a great show years ago but not any more hopefully it will change if your going to max come say hello you will see ivan working helping this old man with my treasures to my table in room c god bless andy militarynut

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Hello John What you have pictured above is Eickhorn's model 1433 , Look at the handle style..
A very rare hunting knife with this trademark..
I will miss you at the MAX as it always is a GREAT SHOW for me..

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Damast:

I will miss all of you guys as well, but I do have the SOS all booked.

I have no reference book that shows pattern 1433. This knife has the handle and the blade of a 1720 pattern, but the crossguard of the 1056, so I thought it was a 1056 type.

Can you tell me what reference or catalogue the 1433 is in.

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Yes, John the 1720 pattern is the new number for the Imperial 1433 (I have this in many Imperial, Wiemar Eickhorn catalogs and even a printing block in wood with the number 1433.)
Same item just updated the number in the 30s
Yes the cross-guard is different on the one you have..but than I would say you have a 1720 (Imperial number 1433) with different cross-guard..
I hope everyone can follow this.... I was just looking in a much older Eickhorn catalog..

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Picture of a few..

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Here are the pictures of the two knives in the Kundendienst.

It looks like the 1720 with the 1056 crossguard, yes...


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There were two dog head pommel Eickhorn forestry daggers listed on the Cashi website, one with a 35-41 TM and this one, with the double oval serrated tail mark.

I was scooped by someone from the UK (you know who you are, Gary) on the 35-41 marked one but did manage to get this other. It is not in super shape but is a unique example of the Eickhorn forestry art. It has scalloped clamshell and extended etches since it is a longer blade.

John

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This exact knife was shown on another thread here by Gary S, but, now that it has made its way across the pond to land in Canada, I want to add it to this thread.

A pickup direct from Gary at this year's SOS, this is a great, hefty working tool. Pictures of it are in the 1932 Eick catalogue on page 94 as pattern 356. I don't understand why Eick did not put their company logo on this, but it is what it is.

Heavy blade, hefty stag grips, an amazing blade with blood grooves and the evil looking sawback make this a must have for the JohnZ Eickhorn collection. Add to this a leather scabbard in super condition with hardly worn fittings and a nice brown frog to complete it.

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Super piece, John from the best stable!
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Indeed Paul, you are quite correct. I have a piece from the same stable & consider myself most lucky.


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I managed to get this dagger from Gary at the latest SOS.

It is a dog head pommel, beautiful stag grip, scalloped clamshell and gorgeous etches. Note that the etch differs from the double oval version... the dbl oval has the term Ges Gesch on both sides, whereas this 35-41 seated squirrel version does not, although the etch design is the same.

Also note that the scabbard length and details are different between the two.

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Here are the two side by side.

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Also an SOS pickup, here is a plain bladed hunting knife by Carl Eickhorn with the double oval serrated tail over CE maker mark. The only detraction to this is that the skinner knife is missing, something fairly common to these kinds of knives from the 1930 era.

I really like the hunting horn motif on the clamshell.

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Probably made as a display item to showcase the firm's capabilities, this is a massive spear head that to me is undoubtedly Third Reich.. looks at the swastikas in the design.

The wooden pole has been cut very short, but the beauty is in the spear head and its design.

Great stuff.

John

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Very nice hunting knives. I have never been into these, I think the hoof has always deterred me. The sawback is super, I will have to be on the lookout.
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Originally Posted by JohnZ
Also an SOS pickup, here is a plain bladed hunting knife by Carl Eickhorn with the double oval serrated tail over CE maker mark. The only detraction to this is that the skinner knife is missing, something fairly common to these kinds of knives from the 1930 era.

I really like the hunting horn motif on the clamshell.



Hello, I think it is interesting to see how close and nevertheless different some parts have been produced. To the left the EICKHORN lug and to the right the WKC lug of the WKC deluxe forest dagger. Although exactly the same motive, same position of the leaves and the acorns, both lugs are different.
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I should add for the sake of authenticity that the boar spear head that John Z shows is a post war creation, I first saw them around 2004, I believe that they are still making them as well as plain ones sometimes seen on Ebay.

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That is very hard to find beauty!
I have added the 1433 in my collection recently and they are unique pieces!
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That is a beauty.


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I realy enjoyed seeing these great pictures of your wonderful Eickhorn collection, thanks for showing them!
Forestry daggers-cutlasses are realy something special smile

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It's rare that I buy anything thats not in tip top condition but in this case I couldn't resist, it's a variation of the Eickhorn 1720 pattern made during the war, I should think by this time they are using up the parts they have, overall its almost 16" long, they are a decent size knife, the blade is over 10" long by itself. The grip assembly is similar to the standard DJ hunting hirschfanger that is commonly seen but without the grip emblem.

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Interesting piece, Gary.

Thanks for showing.

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Interesting piece Gary. Quite a heavy item I should think , easy to see why that insubstantial belt loop strap couldn't take the strain! P


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Thanks guys, despite its condition its an extraordinarily rare knife from this period.

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Not bad for a couple of hundred Euros, Gary. An example of unique knowledge at work. I would have been concerned that it was a postwar piece with its non textbook characteristics and late trademark.

Again, great catch.

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For sure extremely rare. So in such special cases condition is only second rate and I dare to doubt that ever a better conditioned one will come by. Great addition to your collection, thank you for showing!
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A big thank you to Ger.. this 1433 is now at home in the Great White North.

Here are more pics of my latest addition.

John

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Your welcome John, enjoy this beauty!
I know its in good hands smile


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Pictured in the 1924 Eick catalogue (thanks, Gary, for this information) is this heavy hunting knife. It has a unique double row of rivets on the grip and, except for the damaged leather scabbard, is in pretty decent shape for something almost 100 years old.

I would be remiss in not thanking Ger for helping me find this knife (the 5th hunting knife to my collection). A nice Christmas present to myself.

Merry Christmas to all my hunting/forestry friends out there in GDC land.

John

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Another great knife John, in the 1924 catalouge I have it shows this pattern without the blood groove, in the later 1932 catalouge it shows it with the groove,

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Thx John, it fits in perfect in your beautiful Eickhorn collection, enjoy this heavy guy!

Nice to see it in the cataloque, thx for showing Gary!

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I have this exact model in dagger form as model 833.

This is the cutlass version. Same clamshell (boar attacked by dogs), same etches with the large antlered deer and Ges Gesch, same stag grip. Only, this one has the early single oval maker mark.

Now, I have both the cutlass and the dagger versions of this forestry model.

John

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Day after day this week, it was like Christmas.

Here is my latest arrival, fresh from an auction house in Germany.

It is an early back to back squirrel marked knife, looks like a type 356 from the Imperial catalogue but without the sawback. The scabbard is in poor shape, missing the acorn and screws. But, the blade is nice and heavy. I like it a lot.

And, finally, a picture of my 6 Eickhorn hunting knives.

John

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Oh my John, the best of the best! I like these knifes.

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John that is a lovely Stash of rare Eickhorn Huntingknives!
I love it!

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Nice bunch of EICKHORN hunting daggers. I mostly like the "Bowie" style daggers.
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Pattern 429 from the 1924 Eickhorn catalogue has a number of neat features.

It has a great stag grip and a long blade. The acorns on the grip have these decorative leaves that look like mini wings. The clamshell shows a large horned stag being taken down by a couple of hunting dogs. The etches show an elk on the obverse and a deer on the reverse, both with the Ges Geschutz trademark protection. As an early Eickhorn, it sports the single oval over C.E. maker mark. And, it has a spine etch.

The obverse etch has lost a lot of definition, but the reverse is in pretty nice shape.

A big thanks to Ger who helped me find this almost 100 year old forestry dagger.

John

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Nice John
Your ticking them off, you'll have them all soon.

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Enjoy this one John!
As Gary said the hunt will be over soon wink
im glad to help you out with this one.

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Are you guys kidding?

Just in terms of catalogue versions, I am missing model 36 of the wartime catalogue.

16 models in the Imperial catalogue (not counting all of the hunting knives) and 13 models in the 1924 catalogue (again not counting that each model comes in two versions, a tombak and 'vergoldet' or 'neusilber').

Plus special order enhancements.

This is an almost a neverending quest.

But, that being said, I certainly appreciate the help and advice you two have been giving me in my constant search for Eickhorn variations.

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Well John,

to find them you would have to mail me the pages with your missing ones?.. wink and the hunt continues.

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The Imperial catalogue shows this pattern forestry dagger with fancy crossguard. It has the small double oval over CE maker mark and a beauty of a stag grip. The clamshell also depicts a boar being taken down by two dogs. The etch shows a large elk closest to the crossguard and and a standard hunting scene extending to the blade tip.

A good eban find here.

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I now have two versions of this 783 pattern. They differ in the crossguard and in the scabbard.

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Just arrived is this Senior dog head dagger. Gold pommel and crossguard, long blade and the Eick 35-41 seated squirrel maker mark. It also has an Eick tag.

Goes well with its two black dog head daggers already on my wall.

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Nice example interesting w the 3rd Reich trademark.

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Here are the maker marks from the three dog head daggers:

Black with double oval
Black with 35-41 mark
gold with 35-41 mark.

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John that is a stunner and in a gold wash Deluxe version i have not seen before!
A great addition to your Eickhorn collection!

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Thanks, Ger, and I do really appreciate your help in getting this into my collection.

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Do you know why some were black and others guilded? I assume the black are steel based and the gilt brass?

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Beautiful pieces John
In my opinion the gilt one was like a deluxe option.
You can see that grip construction is completely different than
stag grip.

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I would have thought the gilded version would have cost more so I suppose the only difference is what you could personally afford.

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The entire hilt construction is different and speaks to a higher priced option : rivets, grip plates, gold wash, even the detail to the front and back grip. The dog head pattern, in my opinion, would have been a higher priced option for forestry daggers, but the gold version would be like the pinnacle.

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A side question:

What does the cross on the dog's ear signify?

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A side question:
What does the cross on the dog's ear signify?
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Hello Dave, could be an ear protection for hunting dogs, the "X" are the attachment ties.
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I am wondering what breed of dog is depicted? I wonder if it could be a Talbot?

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I had found a beater 1450 on a European auction site and picked it up as a placeholder. It had a decent blade and a very poor excuse for a scabbard and the back to back squirrels TM.

Recently, Kevin on this forum showed a 1450 model with a decent scabbard and the single oval maker mark. After unsuccessfully trying to beat him down in price, I meekly acquiesced and here it is in the Great White North (not kidding, it snowed again a bit last night).

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And, here are my two model 1450s, one with the back to back squirrels and one with the single oval maker marks.

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Nice addition John!!

recently i saw a scan of an Eickhorn HF published in a Johnsson Reference book that looks like the one you show, only difference is the wear on your grip, perhaps that happend afterwards?

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Ger:

Thank you for your comments.

The dog head dagger looks to have a very hard and brittle pair of grip plates. Maybe, over time and some rough handling (not in my house) resulted in what we see today.

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Glad to have put that #1450 in your fine collection John! I think I have caught the "Bug" on these Standhauer myself and hope to add many to my collection too.. Best! Kevin.


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You know, Kevin, the last thing I need is more competition for these hunting and forestry knives

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This particular model is not listed in the '38 Eick catalogue, but is definitely in the TR period as evidenced by the seated squirrel maker mark.

It came to me from Germany fully dressed, with frog, port and belt.

Beautiful stag grips, a great clamshell with dog carrying bird and dog head crossguard. Just a beauty all around.

Thank you, Gary, for pointing this out to me.

Enjoy,

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My pleasure John, that is one beautiful hirschfänger and very rare with that mark.

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New member here. Looking for info on this early Eickhorn. No scabbard and rusty etched blade. Shows signs of genuine use. It has the two-squirrel, C.E. stamping on the blade and the guard is a pair of dog heads with deer legs in their mouths. 12-1/2" overall.

Thanks!

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Glad you could join us, Jerry.

We don't often see that trademark so this should be interesting.

Welcome,

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Hi Dave,
Glad to be here!

Also wondering about cleaning the blade, someone mentioned electrolysis which looked pretty simple on YouTube. Just not sure its harmful to the metal and etching. All I have done is wipe the blade down several times with Renaissance Wax to remove surface rust.
There is also the number 19 on the blade tang and on the clamshell mount.

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An unusual pattern, can we have a close up of the clamshell guard, see if we can identify the coat of arms on it.

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Here is a close-up of the coat of arms. [img]http://[/img]

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Kingdom of Saxony.


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That's it ! Thanks.

This thing is nowhere near as nice as most I have seen on this site. Looks like old touch-up splotches of gold paint but it could be just worn off original finish.

It was found in a junk car in a scrap yard a few weeks ago. Good find even in this condition!

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Never seen this exact pattern before in this configuration, it's basically Eickhorn's pattern 1194 from around the turn of the last century, it's the only short pattern Saxon hirschfänger they made, your one has been guilded and has the dogshead arms as an extra feature as well. Shame about the condition but there's nothing to be done now that you haven't already done.
Could you post a close up of the acorns on the grip as well for me as they were not the one's that came on the 1194 either, must be an upgrade at the time.

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Thanks for the information Gary!

Here is a close-up of the acorns, Jerry

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Thanks Jerry, I appreciate the picture, looks like the whole piece was gilded originally.

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Thanks for all the information on this knife Gary, I lucked out finding this site and really get lost checking out all of the posts and subjects. Very serious collectors for sure.

Is there any way to see what the Eickhorn pattern 1194 looked like in a catalog?

Thanks again for your help, Jerry

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Here's a picture of pattern 1194.

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Thanks so much Gary,

Very cool to see an image of it from the maker's sales catalog. It has that same bugling elk in the blade etching.

So, Eickhorn would do special orders with upgrades or changes? Makes good business sense!

Thanks again of the picture Gary, really appreciate it.
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Back of blade etching on the same beat-up blade, just noticed it.

HAST UHTROFF KEL. HOFL. Might have been more but pretty faded.

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This is a distributor mark from the retailer who sold the dagger.

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I learned something new here, Gary. I never had a clue about distributor marked tangs. Thanks.

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Thanks Gary, I figured it was something like that. Sounds like there were more distributers than manufacturers? Just guessing that someone walked into Hast & Uhtroff and ordered a certain blade etching with other specifications (probably from a catalog), or would the distributor do any of the modifications?
Just wondering how the marketing went back then, interesting times!

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Just a quick question from a new collector of Forestry Daggers. On the Eickhorn Short Forestry Daggers is the hunter always etched on the blade near the guard or can he be etched towards the tip of the blade? Thanks in Advanced.

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I cannot recall ever seeing the hunter placed away from the guard near the tip, have you some pictures of a particular piece you are looking at.

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Gary:

I did find one on the cashicollection web site, but I don't know if it is appropriate to post the pictures here.

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Gary :

So here are 2 pictures of an Eickhorn Senior Forestry Short Dagger I just bought. Showing the hunter toward the tip of the blade. I did'nt pay much for it so it maybe fake. I will send better pictures when it arrives. Thanks for your time.

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https://www.cashicollection.com/page459.htm.

Gary:
Here is a link showing the hunter at the tip of the blade. Hope I am not breaking any rules by posting this link. Thanks

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If you look at the makers mark on that piece you'll notice that it is upside down, whilst I don't think its a deal breaker on its own if you combine that with the etch which is the opposite to that shown in the 35-41 Eickhorn catalouge I would be careful with that particular piece and suggest that if you want an example then you look at others that are on that website though I do feel they are a little overpriced.

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Thanks Gary for the information.

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Doing some more research it appears the etched hunter near the tip of the blade is a post war configuration. It appears Eickhorn offered a post war deluxe senior forestry short dagger for sale. Looking exactly like the pre-war except having a different factory blade stamp and etching on the blade going the opposite direction. So thanks again Gary for your help. It pays to do your research.

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Eickhorn Saufanger, back-to-back squirrel mark, from the 1912 August Stukenbok catalog, Saufanger # 8718. See "J. Anthony Carter, German Knife And Sword Makers 1850-1945", page 524 and note August Stukenbrok advertisement has all Eickhorn models shown.This was a recent E-BAY find. T. Wittmann: "I love this piece because of their massiveness. Looks like a fine example".

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Boar head Jagdschwert, signed "C. Glauth / In Frankfurt a/M". Sword completed by Carl H. Glauth (1827-1902), blade by "Johann Friedrich Eickhorn, Wilhelms sohn" (1784-1862). Owned by Heinrich Sticksel (1815-1880) who was the Hof=Jager & Gartner for Wilhelm Hugo Freiherr von Wetzel (1814-1886) last of the Wetterau line, Schloss Ober Morlen, Germany. This sword will be featured in the next book (3rd) by Volker Lobner of Frankfurt. This sword was also another E-BAY find. Collection of C. Wetzel.

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Hello, Mr. Wetzel,

And welcome to GDC. You seem to have a nice collection. Hope you'll show us more.

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Three Eickhorn's. Left to right: Saufanger with back-to-back squirrel mark. Boar head Jagdschwert with blade by Johann Friedrich Eickhorn, Wilhelms sohn with upper scabbard insc