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I recently started a thread with 20 close-ups of SS runes and challenged everyone to ID the maker of the dagger. 10 of the 20 were successfully identified. Some members said that they might do better at eagles. Soooooooo, following are 22 eagle. 21 are from maker-marked early SS daggers - No RZM 120/121 etc, and 1 eagle is from a "transitional" or double proofed SS dagger. Some daggers are the same as in the runes thread, others are not. Several makers are shown more than once.  1 - RA Herder
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4 - Boker ground Rohm
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8 BOKER (non-Rohm)
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16 Eickhorn SS Honor Dagger
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Here you are 22 different eagles !
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Highly interesting and informative. Most believe there are only 3 or 4 styles. I'm not much of a "helmet guy," but I suspect more than a few helmet decals have been branded as fakes when they are variants.
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Ok Let me belly up to the bar and give it a shot...
#1 Pack #13 Hammesfahr #17 Klitermann& Moog #19 Herder
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so i'll take....
#22 Bertram,(#19 also?)
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Gerd I was wondering when you would show up! ..I dont like to drink alone and served a dish of small eagles and not knowing the maker. Pretzels and beer is alot easier. Bartender a shot for my German friend and I will have a #21 Boker #2 Jacobs
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Larry and Gerd, Sorry, no hits. Try another tavern  Dave
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Larry and Gerd, Sorry, no hits. Try another tavern  As grumpy said, many collectors think there are 3-4 types. The above pictures prove otherwise. Actually, it is easier to spot in pictures as they are many times larger. Regards to all Dave
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Hi Larry, so let's try again, buddy  i guess we have to change the tavern #1 Klaas #2 Herder AS #3 Böker #4 Jacobs #8 Hammesf. #9 R.Herder 10 Eick 12 Klittermann 13 Böker 18 Pack 21 Klaas 22 Eick That's it so far. Gerd
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Sorry, Gerd. Close but no cigar. Bad tavern  Dave
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This place is getting expensive,,
#6 Pack...............funny 6-pack #10 Kober
Good guess Gerd on #9, I thought so too but not the bartender,,
#18 R. Herder #22 is the tranny
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Sorry, no hits. I left out Kober and K&M since they are one-of-a-kind.
Scratch your head and try again.
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quote=Siegfried B]This place is getting expensive,, #6 Pack...............funny 6-pack Good guess Gerd on #9, I thought so too but not the bartender, [/quote] Hi Larry,of course this bird looks like Conan BTW Dave,some nice close-up's!! Sooo.... here is my contribution. 1 Herder AS YES! 2 Bertram 3 Hammesf. 4 Böker YES! Boker ground Rohm 5 Eick 6 Klaas 7 Jacobs 8 Eick 9 Pack YES! EP&S11Pack 13Jacobs 14Gembr. 15Hammesf 16EP&S 17Klaas 18Gembruch 19 Herder AS 20Asso 21Bertram
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Pretty good ! a lot better than anyone else.
19 to go !
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Now this place turned into a gambling house i will put most of my money on all BLACK!!! #2 and 3 Eickhorn #6 and 7 Eickhorn 6 is Eick Honor Dagger. 7 is #11-21 Eickhorn!! Neith 11 or 21 is Eick Spin the ball dealer!!
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Ok Larry, so let's have a Black Jack on ice. Btw:i like this strong stuff  here are a few more...... 2 Puma YES!3 Klaas YES!5 Hammesf. 6 Böker 8 Böker YES!10 R Herder 11 Jacobs 12 Asso YES!13 Bertram 14 Asso 20 Bertram Gerd
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Dave, do not count #6 double post,to many pictures. it makes me dizzy 
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Very good. We are up to 8 correct.
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three more.. 7 R Herder 18 Klaas 19 Pack Larry, time to turn the table 
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No luck Kreta. Try again.
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Last 5 bucks Kreta,, thats all I have and I will need a ride! #11 Louper
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Sorry, Louper as well as Kober and K&M is NOT included.
OK, next 4 days are free shooters !
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With the exception of the one transitional dagger, all the makers have already been mentioned, just not tied to the correct eagle.
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Dave, how about these 5 Böker 7 Hammesf 11 Bertram 14 Bertram 18 Herder 19 Klaas 20 Eick Gerd
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Sorry Gerd. No luck this time
No. 18 is the only transitional in the group.
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No more guesses ? There are not that many early SS daggers and if you tabulate the above misses, you have to hit sooner or later.
I am surprised, as with the runes thread, that so few of the advanced collectors/dealers have not ventured an opinion.
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No more guesses ? There are not that many early SS daggers and if you tabulate the above misses, you have to hit sooner or later. Dave Yes,now it's a bit easier  Gerd
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Here is what is left:
2 Eicks 2 Bertrams 1 F.Herder 1 Klass 1 Jacobs 1 EP&S 2 Gembruchs 1 Hammesfahr 2 ASSO 1 Boker 1 Transitional
There! OK gents. Last chance to win.
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5-Bertram 7-Gembruch 10-Asso 11-F.Herder 13-Pack 14-Boker 15-Eick 16-Hammesfahr 17-Eick 18-Asso 19-Bertram 20-Klaas 21-Jacobs 22-Gembruch I'd love to get a few right! Here's hoping.(fingers crossed).
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Sorry, Andrew, not a single hit.
Try again ?
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Wow, terrible.Here I go again: 5-Gembruch 7-Bertram 10-Boker 11-Asso 13-Eick 15-Bertram YES 16-Klaas 17-Gembruch YES 18-Hammesfahr 19-Eick 20-Jacobs 21-Pack 22-F.Herder.
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Two hits, Andrew. Not bad at all.
In the next day or two I will put up all the answers. I hope that by now members will be seeing that there are more than just 3-4 variations and that the SS daggers cannot be accepted or rejected by the type of grip eagle they have.
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This is addictive,I like it! Another fix: 5-Klaas 7-Asso YES 10-Bertram 11-Hammesfahr 13-Boker 14-Eick YES 16-F.Herder 18-Eick 19-Jacobs 20-Gembruch 21-Asso 22-Pack
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suffering from withdrawl symptoms: 5-F.Herder 10-Hammes 11-Klaas 13-Gemb Yes 16-Eick Yes - SS Honor Dagger 18-Bertr 19-Asso 20-Pack 21-Hammes 22-Jacobs Not many possibilities left!
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Thanks, gents.
I'll now fill in the rest.
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The ones with their name in red were identified by Members. The ones in Blue I filled in. Many thanks to all who participated.
What I will do in a day or two is remove all the posts that were made trying to ID the eagles. You are welcome to add your own SS eagles after I have done that.
As with the thread about SS rune buttons, I hope this convinces you that:
1. There are more variations of eagles than is usually thought. Close up photography really helps point this out.
2. That you should never reject an SS dagger because of the eagle details.
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20-klaas-should be in red, same as 21-bert and 22-f.herder, me and kreta nailed them!
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20-klaas-should be in red, same as 21-bert and 22-f.herder, me and kreta nailed them! You're right,Andrew.  Gerd
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I am curious. Does anyone know of the manufacturer(s) of the grip eagles of these SS daggers? Does anyone have an original apart from the grip, and is it marked/RZM'd ? I search my Assmann catalog copy and could find no example of this peculiar eagle. It is not a party eagle per se. Thank for any info. I posted this on WAF but the response was limited. Collectors indicated only two manufacturers: Assmann M1/17 and C.T. Dicke M1/47. Any photos of catalogs or the eagles themselves? Thanks.
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Joe,
Good question. Most are still in the grip so impossible to tell. I'll search my images to see if I have a 'dismounted' one, but I don't remember one.
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Joe,
Yes, they were marked. The RZM symbol on one wing ans the M1/xx on the other. Detail on the back varied a little.
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Dave, thank you very much for sharing these images.What firm was M1/6? Does anyone know?
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The galleries on the right are pretty extensive, Joe. Try there.
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The galleries on the right are pretty extensive, Joe. Try there.
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Dave I have a friend that is looking for and Eagle for a SA dagger , He is looking for a gold color or bronze color, I am thnking they only made Silver, His is missing I'm wondering why he has to have a gold one  Thanks Bob Here you are 22 different eagles !
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Red.
They were made of nickle silver or alpaca ... which contained no silver.
But, if "your bud" needs an eagle then beware as the substitution will be obvious
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