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Hello Karen, On page 8 of your nice thread, I had posted some pictures of my KdF Training Rifle. http://phpstack-500133-1583587.cloudwaysapps.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=222981&page=8I thought you might like to see this neat accessory I recently acquired. Now my rifle has a warm place in which to snuggle!
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Denny - Great addition - glad I could help.
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Denny - Great addition - glad I could help.
Horst OK Horst, now I know who you are! Horst was my source for this neat piece.
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Denny,
Congrats on putting this exceptional pair together, quite outstanding!
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A nice addition indeed. Many thanks for showing it.
I wonder how the period ammo cartons were marked?
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A nice addition indeed. Many thanks for showing it.
I wonder how the period ammo cartons were marked?
--dj--Joe Joe, Here is a period tin. Shown with a .22 Long Rifle cartridge for comparison.
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Thanks for showing the 4mm. ammo tin. The acorn sparked a memory of having seen casings with that mark. But where? --dj--Joe
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Joe, The acorn is the trademark of the Alfred Nobel Company. I would suspect that many of their products bore that mark.
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... On page 8 of your nice thread, I had posted some pictures of my KdF Training Rifle. ... I thought you might like to see this neat accessory I recently acquired. Now my rifle has a warm place in which to snuggle! Hi Denny!! Oh my, say, that sure is nice! Its in very good condition too no? That is awesome! What a nice set! Its in good hands now, too Thanks for showing! Bye, KR
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Joe, The acorn is the trademark of the Alfred Nobel Company. I would suspect that many of their products bore that mark. I ~~think~~ (tho I could be mistaking!! been a while) I saw advertising for Nobel in a German magazine from the 1930s. Ill look, if I find it, Ill scan and post it here, that I can still do Well, I reckon anyway...
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K, as far as I know you can do anything you like here my friend. I'm looking forward to seeing what you find.
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K, as far as I know you can do anything you like here my friend. Hi Joe!! Well, Im not so sure thats true, Ive got some mail that says something else, in unmistakeble clear language. And, surely it doesnt make any sense, to add much to something that you possibly cant even access yourself anymore, for some random reason like, somebody making bad jokes nearby or somebodies mood or just the moonposition maybe, right? BUT, an addvertisement or something else sometimes, I can do. ..I'm looking forward to seeing what you find.. But so many many books and magazines and brochures to browse may take a bit! Will let you know!
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... I'm looking forward to seeing what you find.. Only found Flobert ads so far. This tells about Flobert bullets, that they come in 4, 6, 9 milimetres. From about 1845 to today, mainly in Europe, cause they never realy got popular anywhere else. Used today for training, and in history for training, fun or hunting small animals like rats. Also called poor mens gun bullets. Flobert was also part of Nobel or RWS, but what I saw has no Eichel logo. More Nobel brands here. But, some realy nice old packagings here, also Nobel, also RWS! The amunition and boxes are also talked about here. Bulletstamps, look for "Germany" here. (logo from logosdatabase) By the way, Nobel is one of the companies, that surely used foreced\slave labor during Third Reich, and commited warcrimes, confirmed by International Tracing Service.
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Thanks for the info Karin. Not only did they use slave labor, the last few paragraphs address their seemingly uncaring response the welfare of their employees. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamit_NobelHere is a translation of the last part. "Polyvinyl Chloride Poisoning in Troisdorf Until the 1970�s, Dynamit Nobel polymerised the monomer vinyl chloride into polyvinyl chloride (PVC) in the factory of Troisdorf. At this time, about 130 to 140 employees were regularly in touch with it. In total, about 3600 persons have worked within this division since the launching of the production in Troisdorf in the 1940s. Infringing the health and safety regulations in force at that time, the employees of Dynamit Nobel were exposed for years, with little protection, to this harmful substance which later turned out to be carcinogenic. Therefore, they were heavily contaminated by vinyl chloride gas or by cleaning up the autoclaves. At this time, most of the other manufacturers of PVC had already put into place systems of production, which were less dangerous for the health. The same has not been done in Dynamit Nobel because of financial considerations. Moreover, regular controls were not made, others were partially manipulated or the results were kept secret. Also, the company made an important contribution to the region, regularly obtained extensions of time to apply the regulations. Contamination due to vinyl chloride was so severe that for years in the company, the employees complained of damages relating to their liver, anemia, finger circulation disorder resulting in acro-osteolysis (necrosis of the first phalanxes), as well as headaches and dizziness. Cancers also resulted from the exposure. After the announcement of the first thirteen severe diseases during spring 1972, work inspectors from Bonn ordered Dynamit Nobel to take the appropriate measures in order to improve the health and safety conditions of work. But the company took a long time to put them into place. Afterwards, the 40 sick employees gathered together as Interessengemeinschaft der VC-Gesch�digten in order to file a complaint for violation of duty against the Land of North-Rhine-Westphalia and asked for damage compensation, just like in the Contergan trial. The local committee of the DKP in Troisdorf filed a complaint for injury and involuntary homicides against the board of directors of Dynamit Nobel AG. Both complaints remained unsuccessful. After more details about the scandal were made public, employees and inhabitants of Troisforf organised a series of demonstrations. In 1975, the company�s board of directors decided to shut down PVC polymerisation workshop to escape the expensive costs related to modernization and security of the plant. Since the first announcement about the existing risks, the company has tried its best to keep things quiet. In that respect, it has put a lot of pressure on the journalists and editors. During the following years, some employees were contaminated and died due to their disease without the company ever compensating them."
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I was also unaware that "Geco" is a registered trademark of Dynamit Nobel Aktiengesellschaft.
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K, you have been very busy. Great research as always. I appreciate the info. Now I must see if I can find what I think I have with an acorn mark. --dj--Joe
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Joe, I post this item here, if not correct please feel free to place it somewhre else.
This tinnie is from the Funkausstellung 1934 where was presented the first television. The year before was presented the radio . I've added a publication about it that mentions this.
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What a rare pin Benten, never saw it anywhere!!! Amazing .. Thanks!!! My Funkausstellung pin is from 4 years later, thanks for the extra info too!! Supernice!!!
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Benten, a great looking tinnie. Interesting publication. For anyone that wishes to see Karin's example look back on page 6. --dj--Joe
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Joe, Thanks for your compliment and pointing me to Krullies badge.
Krullies, Your badge is very nice and has similarity (for this word,I needed the dictionary, ha ha) with my badge. Thank you too for your compliment.
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Krullies, Outstanding work! Best! W~
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.. Outstanding work! Thank you dear Sir ... ... Thank you too for your compliment. And likewise to you ofcourse!!!! Thanks!!
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Why not. Just because its summer, and because this is a nice sunny tinnie, and it can be more fun to dig in history-bits then to do anything else ... Nothing special, or rare, a tinnie for probably KdF Urlaubsfahrten. If you read in brochures and books like this, there were 4 maintypes of KdF holiday trips organized in Mainfranken; Kurzfahrten (excusrions, usualy 1 day no overnights), Wanderfahrten (hikes, same as excursions), Urlaubsfahrten (holidays, 1 or 2 weeks, sometimes 3, but mostly the next type of holidays lasted that long) and Seefahrten (cruises, 1 up to 3 weeks). I guess on short trips, you dont get expensive pins like this, even painted (red) in the center, and the words "Sonniges Mainfranken". But maybe Im wrong. The tinnie is superquality, rather thick metallic, smells like copper or bronze? With a clear maker mark from Petz und Lorentz, who also made nice Spanish crosses for exemple. Detail; some Sportabzeichen, also made by Petz und Lorenz, also have Reichenbach, but after Reichenbach, it says WTTBG, and on this tinie, it says Reichenbach WBG. Because of the "U." before Reichenbach, I think, the maker should actualy read Petz und Lorentz und Reichenbach, and the location of the maker, is the "WBG", or "WTTBG", I think both mean Baden-W�rttemberg, which is not in Mainfranken Bavaria, but it touches the Bavaria region. Front; Back; If you forgot how complex the Gau structure was, here is the situation of about 1944, there you can see Mainfranken just below Th�ringen, the nature is very beautiful there. In Mainfranken lived 1% of all KdF members, and about 98000 KdF members (from all over Germany) went on holiday trips in Mainfranken, each year!! Ofcourse, statistics were published in several newspapers and brochures and year results books, but, you have to be cautious, NSDAP made things look more beautiful then they actualy were .. Gauleiter of Gau Mainfranken (1928 to 1945) was Otto Helmuth. Read more about the Gau here, and below you see Otto in his uniform; The little BW shot is attached, because its a nice photo, but obviously not suited for a post, I had the wrong effect selected in the app. Enjoy!!!
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Super topic! Good going Karin... o.k. now don't get cheap at the end!! , lets see that plate!
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Interesting, learned something today!
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K, your Kdf collection is growing. I second the request to see more of the plate and to learn what you know about it. The tinnie is interesting. I had not seen a pin retaining plate like yours before. A nice example. Thank you for sharing,--dj--Joe
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Wow, thanks so much Gaspare, Paul and Joe!!! .o.k. now don't get cheap at the end!!.. *lol* ..lets see that plate! ... ..I second the request to see more of the plate and to learn what you know about it.... Gaspare and Joe, yes, the little KdF Teller, nice that you saw it!! Ill show you. I like it too. A little tricky to shoot right, I tried to snap it .. nice shot but just looks weird .. I showed it somewhere before, and, I found some photos I made back then, in a webalbum of me, made with a proper camera. Also not perfect, but, it shows a bit better what it is. Sorry for the marks I put in them .. Actualy, when I at first saw this, it displays very nice, but honestly I really had to laugh, I figured, this is so fake, total rubbish, I cant believe this costed any money at all, and I believed less that someone actully paid for it, surely its just a 50-cents-consolationprize-giveaway somewhere, somebody had fun making this a week before from some grannie coffeeware. But, I was told ist not .. And when I asked about it somewhere else, turned out, its actually a real KdF dish ... a little presentation plate, from some factory maybe? I was warned not to clean it, I wanted to, its maybe silverplated, thats fun to clean, polish, make it shine, but, it looses the history too, so I didn"t. The back has a maker mark, so very small, but its there, a little key, with a B and E next to it. I asked about this, on some silverwareforum, some people were really into makermarks. I asked up front if I could ask about this little dish, and I couldnt, because of the swaz. I"ll look at it again, maybe the maker can be found. Nice project for next week. Well, here it is, the circle is about 13 centimeters wide (some 5 inch). Enjoy!! And thanks again ..
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Karin,
Great display item for your KdF collection, I wish you much continued good luck!
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K, It's good to leave tarnish sometimes. That will indeed make a nice display for KdF items. You could perhaps line the inside rim with KdF tinnies. Here is a silver hallmarks site. http://www.silvercollection.it/germansilverhallmark2.htmlCould it possibly be a little server for mints or cards? Perhaps from a KdF ship or guest house? --dj--Joe
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Great items - Heres a KDF paperweight, marble base 3 1/2" X 2 1/2" with a sail ship reflecting Gau Pommern -
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One of the best cartoons ever made was when Disney parodied the KDF using one of my favorite cartoon characters. It stared Donald Duck in "der Fuehrer's Face". Which was originally titled "Donald Duck in Nutzi Land". Funny stuff!
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..Great display item for your KdF collection, I wish you much continued good luck! Thanks William!!! ..You could perhaps line the inside rim with KdF tinnies. ... Could it possibly be a little server for mints or cards? Perhaps from a KdF ship or guest house? Hi Joe!!! A good idea, will let you know what pins I put on it .. thanks for the site,. I didnt find the maker there, but, Im asking around, and post here if I find anything. I dont know about what they used it for, but it could be, mints .. good ideas!! Again, Ill post what I can find out. One of the best cartoons ever made was when Disney parodied the KDF using one of my favorite cartoon characters. It stared Donald Duck in "der Fuehrer's Face". Which was originally titled "Donald Duck in Nutzi Land". Funny stuff! Hey Mikee, thanks!!! I didnt know about it, I looked it up, its amazing .. Here is the movie, for anybody that wants to see it too, and, here a whole bunch of info. Great items - Heres a KDF paperweight, marble base 3 1/2" X 2 1/2" with a sail ship reflecting Gau Pommern - Hi Goldfasan, what an amazing paperweight, never saw anything like it anywhere, thanks for showing!!! Pommern, at the top of Germany, right at the Ostsee, Pommern has nice tinnies with ships, do you have any? But the paperweight looks beautiful, with the waves and the sails, you have something special!!!
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Hi K, I have not found the hallmark either. It sure reminds me of the Bremen Key.
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.. sure reminds me of the Bremen Key... Joe, yes! Or K�berlin, but they used 2 crossed keys mostly .. Koch & Bergfeld, maybe, but they only used a key from 1942 and later, but I think the plate is from before 1942, metal got scarse and the war started to turn bad for Germany, less luxury things.
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After that paperweight I better come up with something special too, right? Well, see this picture, and look close to the bald guy on the left, between 2 guys with a visor cap on. Yes he has a camera in his hands, a box camera, I showed a box camera here already ( or go to page 9 and 11 if the link doesnt go). This shot surely is amazing!! I never saw a picture from back then where you see 1 of those cameras .. Too bad the picture aint sharper, e could also see the pin they wear on the jackets then, but, its nice anyway. The shot is from a book, called " Tat Im Bild", and its a propaganda book about the 1st 2 years of KdF, a sortof how~bad~it~was~then~and~how~good~it~is~now thing. This bookidea was actually use again 3 years later, and again 2 years later, but this "7 years of KdF" was the last, at least, as far as I found until now. I can show the books sometime, maybe, if you like. Anyway back to cameras .. Well, here another box camera, with the same KdF markings on it!!! The camera is different then the other, this model has more specific use, and its more rare as camera. The other is a Kodak Brownie Box, this is a Hawk-Eye box. A friend of mine, Remy, collects Kodak boxes, he showed his collection during a museum exhibition of cameras. He inspected the Hawk-Eye box, and, put it on his website. See the description, and more pictures of it here, go have a look!!! Some snapshots just for fun; Oh, Paul (is Peter here too?), no, this is not the camera I asked you about. This Hawk-Eye box is very correct. The KdF-marking is very much the same, compared to the other camera, and to the marking on the camera on for instance the Robert Ley website. This camera is O K; construction and markings are all good. When I know for sure, Ill put the box I still doubt up here. The book you see as background btw is also very awesome, more info here, not KdF, but more Deutsche Kunst, the art during the 3rd Reich, and architecture, and so in a way about the superiority-fylosophy; Enjoy!!!
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Sharp eye K. Interesting picture. I also wish we could see the pins and tinnies plainly. I'm wondering what they are on? A boat, a ferry? The benches are lashed down.
Did you locate film for your camera?
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Joe - its on the steamship on a KDF Norwegen cruise.
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S.. I'm wondering what they are on? A boat, a ferry? The benches are lashed down... Hi Joe!!! Yes, goldfasan is right. Actualy, the picture is on Der Deutsche, one of the ships that did Norwegen fahrten. The Robert Ley also did many to Norwegen, but also the Wilhelm Gustloff, the Oceana, Monte Olivia and so on. The Northsea was not only important to Germany for travel to the North, but also for food and prduction materials, like all other holidays, Norwegenfahrten were used to also educate workers, and to put propaganda on workers. Special trips to Norwegen were the Norwegenfahrten Der Deutschen Technik, but, then you just have to mention Herr Doktor Fritz Todt, and, maybe Ill get back at that topic someday. I said before, I like pins made of wood. Here is one for Norwegenfahrten by KdF Gau Sachsen, made in Sachsen, in Seiffen, the Erzgebirge, where so many nice wooden things and toys were made. A little damaged, but a nice tinnie anyway. Anybody more Norwegenfahrten tinnies, or pins? With a little advertizing article about Norwegenfahrten, in a KdF program booklet for Gau Sachsen; Closer; Back; Enjoy!
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