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Hello I am from Russia. In my collection were two postal daggers mail protection. There are doubts about the authenticity. Help identify this fake or original?

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Thank you very much.

Im no expert on these, but i dont see anything wrong with them. The numbers are strange (being exactly 300 apart and all using the 0 and 4 and what could be a 6 turned unside down to make the 9) but i dont think thats the case, because i dont see any thing wrong with the daggers themselves.

I agree with Rick-curious coincidence on the numbering but from these photos I see no issues

Paul

Looks like there's sufficient detail where there needs to be. Very interesting coincidence about the numbers but even a skeptical guy like me thinks these daggers are original.

I think both dirk copy. For that would not be unfounded. Notice the bird on the grip, and if we get better photos then I think that trademarck is not the best quality. On some Russian forums discussed in detail these post daggers and made a comparative picture. I run them here.

These daggers have enough mass circulation in the collections and dealers the former Soviet Union. When comparing two dirks with normal and this bird you'll notice the difference in the geometry and dimensions of parts.

I think it's not unusual for one producer dirks unreleased short period of time. Some specimens even have the same number. Close pictures logo with marriage etching.

To den70
I do not agree! Daggers look original, maybe a repainted scabbard
I do not mean your posts and photos of the author topic

I do not understand about what daggers you write. About my daggers what do you think?

Sorry, but Spanish copies from the late 1960s IMO. Fonts on the letters and number wrong, grip insignias very bad and in the light the composition of the pommel and crossguard should look too golden from wrong metal base. The larger pommel on the one dagger is from an RLB EM and not the right size. Many other problems too much to go into this late.

Dimon your dagger normal

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Thank you all. I will add a few more photos
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Clearly different locks
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These daggers would fool many collectors especially the one with the smaller head on the grip eagle--but the funky grip eagle, TM, font stamping of the numerals and letters and the snap are immediate indicators of an improper piece. It's truly amazing that any factory capable of production of such a piece would not make it correctly. They could do it-no question. But for some reason-they have not--Yet.

Lol..I stand corrected.From the orginal photos they looked good to me. Im hoping this is one of those cases where if in hand and closer (like in the later post)you would be able to tell. Good post. This is a post people can learn from.

Vitali(alien), can we hear your arguments about the originality of dirks topic starter?

Dmitry(Dimon2002), I put pictures in your theme as not all the American colleagues can see them in the original themes on the Russian forums. I think that your new pictures only confirm my opinion. Just trust the words of the original or a fake is not worth it. Let those who tell you that these daggers originals argue their position.
I clearly reasoned my opinion, Ron and Houston gave his opinions on some things indicating that he did not like. But defenders of the items were of the opinion only with no arguments.

Perhaps the first photos could be misleading, but the last of your photo to help make a final verdict this dagger.

Based on the better subsequently posted pictures & certainly the opinions of some of our most experienced members, I'd also have to rethink my thoughts. With the better pictures I can see one of the maker's marks that certainly looks off as well as the larger of the 2 grip adlers. I didn't pick up on the crossguard numbers being off but am glad for the info to study. Many of the Postschutz copies I've seen were not this well done & with the addition of 40+ years of age, they do look convincing.

Den70 has shown us different daggers from the topicstarter have. He also gave false info.
Thread ignored because of trolling.

Some additional information--when we saw these daggers in the 70's-along with many other repros-in my memory-the fake Postschutz daggers did not have chains -also when seen in hand they did not have good definition of parts,and had, as Ron said- the wrong finish. Originals have bright nickel plated fittings while the fakes have yellowish or dull colored fittings. Also you might notice that the fake grips are a bit too thick in the center. It is also interesting to note that these 60's-70's fakes are very seldom seen today-and there were hundreds if not thousands on the market at one time. Where are they? In collections-all over the world.

I am a young collector, and such discussion it’s good help to guys like I’m. And guys like Ron, den70, Houston thank you for you help. I can not so easily as you define those copies, as far as its real dagger or not. I read the forum carefully, this is one of the best and detailed discussions for last time. My collection is very modest and somewhat daggers SA and family bayonet of my grandfather, who he brought back from the WW2.
I do not understand these guys like, "anlvd2” and “alien" if they think staff is real, let him give his opinions, each time to see if the original or not. And so it is only "blah, blah, blah" I know some guys. I think maybe, someone sold the daggers to Dimon2002, and now trying to make the original. Or are you trying to be his "lawyers" seller.


I'm sorry but I'd like to see photos of these "Spanish copies"

Anybody can show the photo "Spanish copies"?

This is nonsense! You can not accuse people without knowing them. They do not sell knives to me!

This is nonsense! You can not accuse people without knowing them. They do not sell knives to me!

Wow ! What a dust up ! Hard to tell who is who and what is what.

By the way, "Crusader", if you are from "Camberland,MD", how did you sign up from the Ukrane?

Hi,w up?i travel all over this wy!!!!!

That's daggers in parts submitted Dimon 2002
See no reason for concern, the original

Greetings a forum. I will answer, why I consider that daggers in a theme-fake. To begin with some photos.
1-Brand of the manufacturer not the correct.

2-eagle not the correct.

Greens on all knifes-rubbish(fake).

3-Number, garda-not the correct.

You at a forum have this theme.
http://phpstack-500133-1583587.cloudwaysapps.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=101801&page=4
Compare numbers which are led round by red colour and look at theme date.

Now a photo for comparison of an original blade and other counterfeit wedge as in a theme

Still a photo

Tails are larger.Original and a fake.

I ask to pay attention to length of a carving, that the letter-H th to a fake is brighter, better than on my original. Other photos original daggers are welcomed. Thanks.

Now I will put 6 photos of an original brand of the manufacturer which I took without the permission on different resources.
Difference see between 7 and one brand?

http://www.wwiidaggers.com/32309.htm
http://www.therupturedduck.com/WebPages/Edged/e532.htm
And so on.

Please tell me Im not the only one who has completely lost the plot on this thread............??

Paul

Paul,

Dimon2002, from Russia, posted two Postal daggers. Shortly thereafter DEN70 said they were fakes and being discussed on Russian forum and that they are common there. He posted pictures that are convincing.

Alien, also from Russia, said they were OK but offered no reason. Dimon2002 said he did not understand and Ron Weinand said they were known Spanish copies. Alien said that he daggers were "normal" .. again with no supporting argument.

Dimon2002 added more pictures and Huston Coates said they would fool many people.

DEN70 asks Alien and Dimon2002for proof. anlvd70, again from Russia sides with Dimon2002 and alien but offers no proof. Huston Coates adds more detail about the fakes.

Crusader signs on, saying he is from "Camberland, MD" and posts a somewhat difficult to understand opinion from ... somewhere in the Ukrane

Dimon2002 makes three posts protesting. Alien posts Dimon2002's pictures saying there is no cause for concern.

Ivan 66 posts a good photo analysis showing why he thinks they are fake. Very convincing, I might add.



That's it so far.

Dave

It would seem that there is a new crop of fakes-Made in Russia? Teno Officers also. What else? I have not seen these in the US-yet. How about the UK ? Germany ? Anywere else?

In a photo where I showed shafts I was mistaken a little, I will try to explain why I will show one more fake and you will understand that shafts identical.
Spitzer-RLB.Orig+2fake

Here shafts from post daggers.

Now all together, 2 fakes and one original.

I consider that shafts on fakes identical on manufacture, letters H-counterfeit, a carving long.

At you at a forum not to put the big photos, but I think so it will be more clear how to distinguish a fake from the original. Look at letters as they are written, depth of etching.

Here still a photo under other corner of the original and a fake.

Here still which I consider a dagger as a fake.

Here still which I consider a dagger as a fake.


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Thanks for photos from this theme. We will compare. Even on these photos personally a subject it to be pleasant to me.
P.S.On the first copies there are no polishing traces(crossgrain), already it is done.



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Not exactly, Dave.

I don't want to take part in the thread as both den70&ivan66 (aka ivan666, aka Eduard Terehov) have decieved me and I am not sure that I can be impersonal.

BTW I like Houston's theory, as I can see it so far. It's not ideal, but most likely.

Kind Regards

I can't find the thread, but I think that Jim W. can confirm that a new crop of fakes has come out of what had been the East Bloc. A year or so ago an Imperial Russian naval dagger was posted that was one in a series of recently manufactured daggers. And when I looked it further it was more than just a few daggers, and I got the impression that they might not have been coming from Russia itself. But possibly from one of the states to the west which ultimately broke away from the Soviet Union. FP

Oh god are you private investigator?Or you want to show how smart you are by locating me?Any 10 years old kid may check the location of computer,what about now?
I was in Ukraine,had a business trip to go to,btw there is a lot of nice stuff there and in a lot of quantity maybe more then in all USA.
I will make it easier for you,now i am in Brooklyn, NY,just landed,so you don't have to waste your time to locate me and we can talk about our topic bc for people like me who is actively looking for a new pieces in my collection and can afford as many as i am willing.This topics are very helpful and may prevent from making a mistake in a purchase of fake piece and giving money to the counterfeit
For all the guys in our "identity" topic want to say "that its only the words" give me at least 1 fact to support your opinion.

You have this theme.
http://phpstack-500133-1583587.cloudwaysapps.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=245366#Post245366
Really someone considers that Andrey Dubinin(Sokol)has shown you original daggers?
Even on these photos it is visible that it is fakes. I will put 5 original brands from below.

Brand of Alkoso curve and wrong.
Let's compare to 2 original brands.

Let's compare to original brands.
The letter-N in a word Solingen gets out for brand limits. Show me one more such original subject?

The letter L-more shortly than the letter A- show me please other such original brand with such errors?

Fake a brand and 5 original brands taken from leading dealers.

I will take from your forum a photo. I will put a fake photo(Alcoso.Aic.Alcoso), a difference in wings of an eagle, a ribbon on a wreath, it is visible?

I will take from your forum a photo. I will put a fake photo, a difference in wings of an eagle, a ribbon on a wreath, it is visible?

All subjects on photos-fakes, I so consider.

Perhaps it makes sense to divide the topic into several. Separately Dipo, separate Postdagger-general, and Postshutz daggers from Dimon2002.

And what that final opinion on the two dagger began theme.

Now that the thred has become quite famous, they said same daggers could be made using original parts or original equipment. In my humble opinion, but I had such items in his hands and compared them with the originals, were used in their production methods are completely different technology.

Hi guys,
What's going on here?
Lets move on with this post,it was so much action before and now you all quiet! Seams that no one care anymore .........

Outstanding thread, but very, very scary.

You got that right!