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Gentlemen,
I have been looking for a full Rohm by Eickhorn for several years. Here is one that I have just been offered. The gentlemen who is selling it is happy that it is discussed. It came from the Bill Shea stable some years ago. I understand that the blade has been buffed at some stage but there still appears to be evidence of cross grain.
I'm a touch wary of the crack in the handle. Should I be worried?
What do you gentlemen think about this lovely looking gem?
Many thanks for your comments
And thank you Joe for letting me ask for the opinions of others.
All the best
James
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Always interested in buying NSDAP collar tabs and Eickhorns of any sort I collect badges and groups for the Polish Army in the West (Polskie sily Zbrojne Na Zachodzie) 1939/47 especially unit badges Contact me directly on jamest8@madasafish.com
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Am no expert James but i like it, I have one but in pretty bad shape, the rohm inscription on this one looks identical to mine for whatever its worth.
Good Luck Adam
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I would not worry much about the crack in the handle I have seen worse On Rohm examples. Time and climate if not preserved correctly from the end of the war period until now, will show some signs of age and stress. Your example is well taken care of,, very nice! Best Larry
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If crossgrain on both sides is the same it's a good sign. Dedication looks OK to me. One can always find some very small differences (I mean small) in letter shape amongst the daggers of the same maker, but it's just because the stencils were far from being laser sharp and the way of applying them was strictly a hand job. I wish I could examine the dagger in person, using my magnifying eye loop and caliper.
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Guys, I am currently looking at an Eickhorn full rohm and although I was almost convinced it was good, now I start hesitating because o the dedication diferences to Seigert book and the one listed above. Have a look - can this be correct? The logo and all the other sighns show it is the rohm Eick!
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It is the first piece (second is a copy of erlier post on this forum or comparison)
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Note the link in "Z" Fat vs thin, Top loop in "E" in ernst round vs sharp and "m" in rohm straight vs thick last leg. Can both be correct? I will post some more pictures of the dagger so you know the whole story.
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No major red flags I can see rom those - simply the motto discrepencies make me worried..
Appreciate your help.
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It alos comes from a local trader - not a professional dealer and was purchased in germany.
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Is the crossguard benchmarked? Also i would have expected the crossguards to be marked HE which i think is the norm for Eickhorn Rohms. Just my 2 cents worth
Good luck
Adam
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No it is not. No markings at all but I have read that this kind of unmarked Eickhorns exist.
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I heard that they didnt just do the HE crossguard and that they have another mark cant remember what it is so this could well be it??? Regarding the banchmark im unsure if they were all numbered I know most are, mine is numbered 1 but one of the more knowledgable members will be around soon and maybe able to shed a bit more light on the dagger in question. All in all the dagger looks ok to me but im no expert. If you like i can post a few pics of my rohm dedication for you to compare?
Regards Adam
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AR and HE are the internal cross guard markings usually seen on "Eickhorn's."
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Grumpy got it right with "usually". I don't subscribe to most of the "this dagger MUST have THIS crossguard, or THAT eagle, or rune type". Take a look at the top of the SS dagger forum at the threads on eagles and runes.
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What's your verdict on this piece though. Thumbs up or down?
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It is very difficult to draw a conclusion, based on Internet photos only. I think it is likely an anomaly (non-"textbook") example. The parts appear to be original and fit together well. I would not be overly concerned about the crossguard markings. The blade is the thing, here. I don't own an Eickhorn SA Rohm, so cannot offer much of a comparison. Based on the photos, it looks like the etching differences may be no more than template differences and the amount of time the etch acid was left on the blade. You might consider sending photos to Wittmann, Johnson or another long-time dealer or collector for an opinion. In any case, I would not buy the dagger unless I was totally satisfied it is authentic. If you don't do that, the dagger will be of concern to you for as long as you own it.
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I think the dagger is fine. Origninal. No worries. The crack is no issue in my opinion, this is only a mark of age, not a detracting issue. The inscriptions look fine to me. My only issue is the blade which does appear to have been "re-crossgrained" (rather then "buffed") in my opinion. This would be the only detracting factor. All in all a very nice dagger which would be welcome in my collection! Good hunting, Johnny
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PS: Get a D. Gailen cert. & sleep well at night.
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not a crosgrain - rather extra wax on it. Thanks to all.
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Merry Christmas all.
Years ago, I obtained from the daughter of a Political Leader his Rohm Eickhorn SA dagger, sports documents, political badges and 200 photos. The dagger had neither a bench mark nor a Gau mark.
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Regards, Jeff
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Congrtulations, and your point is- please send pics or post them so we can share in your triumph- thanks, Mike
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