#23757
03/13/2010 10:03 PM
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Hello all,
I would like your opinions on this dagger.
Thanks,
harvey
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#23758
03/13/2010 10:04 PM
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#23759
03/13/2010 10:06 PM
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#23760
03/13/2010 10:09 PM
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03/13/2010 10:10 PM
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#23763
03/13/2010 11:05 PM
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very nice is it for sale?
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#23764
03/13/2010 11:07 PM
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Not for sale; I'll hang on to this one for a while.
One concern I have is that the blade looks a bit too wide towards its tip; maybe it's just an illusion.
Another concern is that the scabbard appears to be original black paint over brown anodizing; like a repainted SA. It fits the crossgaurd and blade perfectly and is original black paint. Would a firm ever have issued an SS dagger with a repainted SA scabbard or perhaps it's just that the metal has rusted under the paint?
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#23765
03/13/2010 11:46 PM
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Looks OK to me.
Blade shape does not alarm me and trademark is a known one.
Scabbard appears to me black paint over rusting primer, but I cannot say for sure from pictures.
Regards, Dave
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#23766
03/14/2010 12:16 AM
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Thanks Dave,
Here are some photos of the scabbard paint.
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#23767
03/14/2010 12:17 AM
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03/14/2010 12:18 AM
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03/14/2010 12:22 AM
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#23770
03/14/2010 12:28 AM
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Nothing wrong with the scabbard, unfortunately its rust. I have the same thing but on one of my SAs. Nice dagger. Larry
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#23771
03/14/2010 02:18 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Dave Hohaus: Looks OK to me.
Blade shape does not alarm me and trademark is a known one.
Scabbard appears to me black paint over rusting primer, but I cannot say for sure from pictures.
Regards, Dave
I thought they still haven't figured out who the 807 maker was, did I miss something??? Mark
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#23772
03/14/2010 08:19 AM
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Nice real one,Harvey!
That's the 3rd real(807),i've seen in all the years.
Gerd
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#23773
03/14/2010 09:32 AM
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[/QUOTE]I thought they still haven't figured out who the 807 maker was, did I miss something??? Mark[/QUOTE]
I think what is meant is that 807/ is known and accepted, but the maker as yet unattributed.
Red
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#23774
03/14/2010 01:40 PM
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Good, original dagger. I have 807/36 out of woodwork and its logo, motto and SS roundel are of the same type.
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#23775
03/14/2010 02:55 PM
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Yes, I meant that the trademark is accepted as real, not that we know who it is.
That is rusting metal/primer, not an SA repaint. Good catch.
Regards, Dave
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#23776
03/14/2010 07:16 PM
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Ok because I myself have a 807/36 and when somebody said it was a known maker kinda threw me off.
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#23777
03/14/2010 07:25 PM
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Interesting note: that I have seen the RZM Logo reversed in position. ie: RZM on top of the code and Runes on the bottom and vice versa! Larry
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#23779
03/14/2010 07:34 PM
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Is there any reason why the RZM logo was done this way on the blade sometimes reversed? larry
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#23780
03/14/2010 11:07 PM
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Looks like a different maker.
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#23781
03/18/2010 03:44 PM
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My thanks to everyone for the help.
Gerd indicated that this RZM code is seldom seen; do others share that opinion? Wittmann's book doesn't really discuss rarity factors for RZM pieces.
Is there a thread here that discusses the relative scaricity of SS daggers with various RZM codes?
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#23782
04/08/2010 01:07 PM
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any opinions on this one, bought it from a well known english dealer
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#23783
04/08/2010 01:08 PM
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04/08/2010 01:09 PM
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#23785
04/08/2010 02:04 PM
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Hi Woody you will have to post some better quality pics if possible...hard to say from your pics but there might be a few "issues" cheers, Ryan
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#23786
04/08/2010 05:29 PM
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Agreed, One thing to watch on this particular dagger is the location of the maker mark. When I see pics of the maker mark without showing the crossguard it always maker me skeptical. Woody if you want to see this email me. I can not post the pics here as they are "borrowed" from a site.
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#23787
04/08/2010 07:31 PM
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hopefully this one is better
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#23788
04/08/2010 07:39 PM
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#23789
04/08/2010 07:57 PM
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Woody, i've seen this,before. Btw: The former background was green Gerd
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#23790
04/08/2010 08:04 PM
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am hoping this does not turn out to be crap, can't afford to replace it, the dealer is known on here, and has had only good remarks.
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#23791
04/09/2010 11:34 AM
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Sorry Woody but IMHO this is not right. I have no idea who the dealer is but it doesn't matter, no dealer is perfect.
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#23792
04/09/2010 06:29 PM
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thanks for the replies, will have to start saving again for another one, thanks again for the help, next time i find one i'll post on here for advice first, cheers guys.
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#23793
04/09/2010 08:32 PM
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Hi Woody sorry to say that from the pics that you have provided Paul is correct in his assertion...cheers, Ryan
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#23794
04/09/2010 08:49 PM
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Send it back if you don't get retribution name and shame just because he's a dealer known on here does;t give him the right to absolution
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#23795
04/09/2010 10:18 PM
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As was already mentioned the dagger has "issues". Is what I've posted here a current example of laser etching? FP
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#23796
04/09/2010 11:01 PM
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Fred, I don't think so. Usually the laser etch delivers a finely cut edge at right angles to the blade. The SS runes have the jagged edge more consistent with an acid etch. What is interesting is that the detail of the SS runes do not match the precise cut of the numbering and RZM mark which looks more like a laser etch to me, almost appears to be applied at different times.
Red
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