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Andy,

Is it your opinion that some unmarked bayonets & rifles were used by the SS? If that is your opinion, I would agree with that. However, there is a substantial amount of legitimate SS marked weapons in collections.

As I stated earlier, there was a non SS marked rifle taken from the SS Weapons Depot along with the 2 SS marked & 45 dated bayonets.

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Andy,Joe, FP:

Since we are talking about SS VZ-24 Bayonets, I would like to expand the subject to a SS TV VZ-24 Bayonet with Property Number to the 4th TK-Standarte Ostmark. This Standarte was formed in 1938 at Vienna and Berlin. Later designated 4. SS-Infanterie Regiment.

Bayonet is a VZ-24 that has been given an SS Property #45. Scabbard is numbered on thte frog stud. Grips are numbered 866 which matches the number on the tang. Bayonet is 4th TK-Standarte marked as well as SS marked. The frog is 4th TK-Standarte marked.The blade has been sharpened to an extreme keen edge before reblue. The muzzle ring has been cut.

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The dot must be WaA proofed only with 63, but is too small so it could be missreaded as 59 You should use a magnification glass. The other Vz.24 SS marked bayonet could be probably examined only by sharp pictures, when You will it would be probably better start a new thread as mentioned by Joe. best regards,Andy
PS we would like to see the 45 dated bayonets SG84/98 as i am the database keeper for BCN

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Until just now, I had (rightly or wrongly) assumed that the 1945 dated bayonets under discussion were Vz. 24s. That they are a pair of SG 84/98s (98Ks) does put a fresh perspective on the matter, and I can see where the BCN database would have an interest in the bayonets. Also agreeing that a complete Vz. 24 rig that is well marked, should probably have a thread devoted just to that one topic alone. FP

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FP,

There are SS 98/05 bayonets.
FP,
There are SS 84/98 bayonets

There are SS Vz-24 Bayonets

There are SS Rigs: Belt, Bayonet, Pouches, Pistols

There are documented (Capture Paper Items)

What type of data on SS Bayonets can be provided for our discussions. There are strong opinions especially on SS VZ-24 bayonets that they are all fakes, made by the Russins etc. Nothing based on hard evidence & facts.

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FP,

Forgot to add that there are also SS TV 84/98 bayonets with KL markings.

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FP,

Please check your messages on the forum.

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Richard,
There have been several requests for pictures along with the descriptions. Again, pictures please.....
Remember the old college professor's adage...."Publish or Perish!"
A new thread would be nice also, since this one started out on an entirely un-related subject. Klinge, did you have your original question answered satisfactorily?

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Denny,

It is difficult to show alot of pictures of unpublished SS bayonets. I do not want to give the makers of reproductions a heads up before I have published. However, I can share some pictures of items with members, Pictures to be sent directly to E-mail address and pictures not to be published. I shall also try to answer to the best of my ability any question that comes from our forum. Again, I allowed Whittman to use some of my bayonet pictures and within 3 months there were numerous SS 98/05 bayonets at the gun shows. I did not give all of the details so the fakes were easy to detect. I am a collector and researcher not a dealer. I am not trying to advance any of my collection. Let us see where it goes. It is a great& interesting topic and there is a to be learned by all. Our founder John Jacobi has been a great help and has found numerous bayonets for me. The last one was in Germany not more than 3 months ago. I still owe him.

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Denny,


Can you post pictures for me if I send them to you. We need to set some base lines and get agreement on specific issues as we go along. I want to start off with SS Bayonets that have been published ans select some specific models.

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Bayonet Forum Members,

Do any of you remember Glenn De Ruter from Sarco? Glenn imported into this country a large quantity of SS bayonets. They varied in quality from tomato stakes to excellent condition pieces. Glenn was also an original BCN Member.

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Richard,
I would be happy to post pictures for you. I have sent you my email address.


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Denny,

Thanks very much. It will be a great help. Any time better than another?

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I have sent Denny pictures of 3 different SS Bayonets to start off with. Denny will open a new thread for SS Bayonets.

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Hello,

the frog is an original one.

A white police Frog made by Bruno Leunert Brenning in 1938. These frogs are in combination of an leather front and a "plastic" bag.

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Hi Gardist

No "plastic" in this frog but only leather. The upper leather part seems to be new and the other is made of very hard and dry leather.

Regards.
Alain

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