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i bought a sa today and the fittings appear copper plated marine sa??
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Very strange, may be nickel-silver was seriously contamined to the verdigris or others elements, can you post entire dagger pictures?
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Ricardo
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Highly unusual. Can you tell what the dark coating is? It doesn't look like nickel. Could be a marine example that somebody coated over the guards. Because of the gau mark, no flash coat of copper should be on it. The nickel-silver guards were issued without plating, as a rule.
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It is unusual, and I'm doing a little 'head scratching' on this one myself. Agreeing that some more inspection and additional images could very likely help in figuring out. FP
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Who is the maker? And you may want to check the cross guards with a magnet. Some of the RZM makers used iron cross guards. The coating could be rust
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Helbig used iron for crossguards and they were nickel-plated. They may or may not have used a copper flash coat before the nickel was applied. Usually, the plating holds up very well on Helbig's. Much better than on zinc-based guards. I think it would be unusual for a Helbig to be gau-marked, but stranger things have happened.
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Zeiter used iron cross guards and they were flash coated under the nickle
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the maker is carl schmidt the cross guards are nickel the eagle has copper in the wing lines and the scabbard mounts also appear to have a copper wash but not as heavy as the guards. the dagger came out of a shed and still had its original 3 piece hanger which is black
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the black can be scraped off with a finger nail in some spots but mostly its very hard
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top nut appears copper plated as well
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To me it just looks very dirty and corroded.
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could be but all the fittings patined to a copper colour and traces of copper in the eagles wing folds??
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Hi nickn2, I posted some copper,and copper plated crossguards on the forum a couple of years ago,but the Search engine on the forum does not seem to search the old forum threads. This is the only photo I can find. cheers nats
Last edited by nats; 10/15/2010 08:40 PM.
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