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Hi Guys,
Would you all consider this one a fairly decent copy? Your opinion is appreciated..Thanks.

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Hi Mikee,
it is not good, the ring is a fake.
I'm sorry.

Mark.

I dont like it
I think its not bad copy

Thanks for the replies so far. It belongs to a friend. He asked me my opinion and I gave it but he wanted to know what others thought, so I posted it for him.

Come on Mikee,, tell us more! ,,,Did he buy from a dealer? ,where did he get it from?

Hey G,

I didn't pry to much, poor guy. But that is a fair guestion and I will ask.

He wouldn't give a name, but said he purchased it with a mix of good and bad stuff... Go figure,right!

I think it is a decent copy. Netter than many out there.

I feel that this ring has the potential of being a period item. Better photos without such a glaring flash would be more helpful.

Lately on WAF, there has been proper period SSTK rings that have been mistakenly declared bad, and that is a dangerous situation that we see happening more & more often in the collecting community. Too often members with little or no knowledge on SSTK's are giving others,bad advise on them.

I'm not convinced yet that the ring that started this topic, is a post war piece. I truly think that more clear and larger photos of the piece are needed to evaluate it.

I took the bad photos in natural light and thought they would be clearer for all to see but apparently not, so I will replace the bad photos with hopefully better ones. Thanks all!

JR,, "Too often members with little or no knowledge on SSTK's are giving others,bad advise on them."Truth is you don't know what these guys have in their collections , or what they know.. And because you and Craig say certain rings are good [many don't agree] don't make them good,,or bad, for now..
Excellent fakes are out there. There was recently a claimed 'dug' early pattern HR that looked pretty good, except for leaving the e out of the Himmler sig!
Lets hope Mikee puts up some good photos now that Vern deleted them [?], and you guys will be able to debate it all you want.........

Gaspare you're referring to the ring SS Schindler?
You think is fake?
in the comments you have not given your opinion, if you think this is fake can you explain why?
thanks.

Since the pictures of the ring under discussion here have been removed I've added one to use for discussion for now. This is an ultra neat rubber mold cast Superman ring from a box of cereal. Anyone care to comment on it's originality?
Jim

Typical.............................

My Fault.... the original poster asked me to remove the photos so he could replace them with better pictures. I thought they would be up by now.

1902,, sorry, I don't pay attention to the names. The HR is not in my main field of concentrated research. If I see a nice one, or fake, most of the time I try and not comment. IF, its something blatant either wrong, or cool, I will.

JR,,
*Hhmm, another HR no one else likes associated with you and your buddy. And, this time Don too I know your dieing to respond! Well he just papered a HR without the mandatory die flaws so there you go.

As I wrote before on WAF:
"Anyway, super mint or not,,a SuperDuperFake! Just check out that 'engraving'.. I wouldn't care who says what with what proof, I wouldn't want this.. And, if this is the start of how the 'good' HRs will start to look, they'll be worth squat soon enough".[italics mine]

And, again;
"What I'm really saying is,,,I don't care who says its good, I don't have to like it whether Don or Craig or whoever certifies it,,,you can keep any and all that look like it...
Lucky are the collectors who have their HRs from at least 10 -15 years back,,,notice they never seem to sell them.!"...

JR, what's your honest opinion on my HR Schindler?
I do not know what to think .....
thanks.

Gaspare, what is "super duper fake"?
The Schindler Honor Ring is "super duper fake"?
Thanks for your opinion.

1902,, A 'SuperFake' is just a term for a really good fake.. Came in a few years ago when a member from Japan was showing some nice copy rings. It has a life of its own now and all real good fakes can be called a SuperFake..

I don't know the Schindler ring well. I'd say has some condition issues,,especially the inside band..
Why is it like that?,,is it supposed to be ground dug?
I've been to many a dig in East Europe and seen many a ring come from the ground and never seen a silver ring with a inner band like that..
There are some members here with early pattern HRs,,maybe they will comment on it.
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Sorry for keeping all participants waiting and hope these pictures will suffice. Thank you.

I know, I shouldn't have dipped it in pink paint, but it sure looks a lot nicer! Besides, it'll come off with sand paper anyway.

It's a period ring !

Hi,Mikee,
Better pics.
I agree with JR.Period IMO.
Somebody "whacked him on the head
Seiler

Mikee,

as previously stated if such "repro" is for sale I'm very interested in .

I confirm what said by PM.

Ric

sometime in the later HRs they either switched engraving tools or some liked one type tool and others liked another.

Some have the 'typical'[?] engraving we usually see going back to the early pattern,,strokes with a hand engraver where you can see the plunge or entry, and sometimes even exit, as well as a twist of the tool also gave a nice flair to some of the letters/numbers,,,and some late rings have engraving that looks like it was scratched in or drawn with a scribe...

Thanks guys,

Oh no! Does this mean I've turned to the "Dark Side"!

It's been stated that the hog nose style is present to some degree on "all 1940's rings". To me anyway, this ring clearly doesn't look like the hog nose style, to any degree. Maybe if it was worn down enough, it might. Not all of us can be hogs! What do you think? Thank you all.

Received my COA from Don Boyle! It's indeed a period near mint SS ring. Thanks Don! And thanks to all that replied. I'm a happy camper!

An antique show came to our town, but can't for the life of me remember their promotional name. Sounded like a fun way to spend my afternoon, so I decided to take my SS ring along with a few other items. I honestly wanted to find out if they were legit, what if anything they actually knew and what sort of prices they were paying for certain items. Anyway, to make a very long and funny story short... After listening to these experts, they knew alot about nothing! lol. The real shocker was finding out how worthless my stuff actually is and the amount they were actually willing to pay me for my worthless stuff!,lol. So I figured why not, I took out my ring and showed it to them as well. Their "ring expert" tells me that, "we see this type of ring ALL the time and that my ring is made of stainless steal and worth at best thirty $30.00 bucks".lol.. I stated in a soft voice, "Nooo shit, really! Oh well since it's worthless, I guess I'll just hold onto it, by the way you wouldn't happen to have a magnet I can use to test your stainless steel theory out with, would you? lol... Short version...Legit they were not!

,,, Stainless steal. huh

The nose could have been the 'Pig' type. Maybe some aggresive reshaping when first made, then a little wear and,,,,

Hey G,
guote; "It's been stated that the hog nose style is present to some degree on "all 1940's rings". The reason I was asking is because I found that reference in Craig Gottlieb's book and thought my ring in no degree applied to his statement and thought my ring might be an exception to that rule, but I could very well be mistaken. Maybe he can clarify his thoughts on this statement for us, would be nice if he would. Interesting stuff!

I'm finally getting around to insuring some of my stuff due to breakins. Any ideas how much I should insure this near mint ring for. I really have no clue and thanks for the help.

- hog nose style is present to some degree on all 1940s rings.-
I think thats a pretty fair statement. As Don has said for many years,,all the HRs were subject to hand finishing. Even though to your eyes it appears it could have never been even close to a hog nose,,,it could have been! The hand work after its made,,wear and tear,,do some really weird things to silver!

After loseing many family bring backs due to the flood at my home,,I'm insuring very soon too! Value on the ring? Times are tough right now,,gotta be over 8k.. Maybe contact John P. , or Don and Andy,,,see if any are insuring, or what Don has been quoting for values....

Hey G,

Thanks for the explanation. I hope I don't sound argumentative because I truly don't mean to be. I understand they were hand finished, that maybe it could have been, and understand wear and tear. But the word used was "is present", meaning it can be seen at this time or now, not in the past and not in the future.. At this present time there is no presents of a hog nose feature that can be seen or wear to this nose indicative of a hug nose design. Maybe it was a simple wording mistake and maybe it wasn't. Question I must, I guess it's in my blood and for now at this "present time" I must disagree with the author until clarified. Once you own one of these rings it can turn you into a nit picking nerd! Thanks!