UBB.threads Forums Edged Weapons Army, Navy, and Luftwaffe Forum Early slant Paul Weyersberg army rig -numbered

Greate daggers Janos/serge.
U guys know what to collect

Tom, Landser,
I agree, the non slant's crossguard is very impressive.
But this one is close to that.

I had a conversation with Ford Crews about Weyersberg armies.
And we have a theory: Weyersberg used "normal" WKC crossguards in the very beginning (numbered daggers has WKC xguard), than after a few hundred daggers they started to produce their own modified, hand enhanced (big forehead, sleepy eyes eagle - like this one and the non slant) crossguards and scabbards with wood screw type screws.

I hope Ford will log in to comment on this.

Janos

Janos, here is my Weyersberg followed by my WKC.
There is no appreciable difference.

For me WKC have the least appeal of any producer & this heer is now the only WKC piece that remains in my collection.

WKC

Sadly not numbered, could anyone hazard a guess as to its place in the production run?

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thanks guys

Oh my collector�s god, THESE are armies!!!!!
Such goodies in one thread and a bunch of knowledge.
Thank�s to all contributors. Sadly I do not own such a nice WEYERSBERG.

@ Paul, due to what looks to me like a generic crossguard and due to the kind of mm I would assume it is one of the more late pices of WEYERSBERG.

Regards,

There was a great thread on these by Ford Crews.
Word first spread there on serialized numbering on initial run Weyersbergs.
Ford Crews knows these as well as anyone.

Frustrating to spend time and post great info only to have it later disappear.
So much rare info lost on this site...truly a sad and needless loss to the collector community.

-serge-

Serge, sooner or later it will disappear....they all do.

Paul, your dagger as correctly stated has a generic x guard but, it is nevertheless in very nice condition & may still be considered a rarity to a collector who collects by marked blades.

Personally I miss our member Ford Crews very much. His valuable and polite comments are missed very much. Recently I saw a valuable (as ever) comment done by him but he himself seemed quickly disappearing again.
But I am sure he is reading in this forum.

Sadly the loss of valuable threads is a well known fact. One of the most voluminous threads, the "Wearing..." thread started by myself is gone to time. I for myself have written sometimes against it. Here in public, also in the moderators forum.

I got Information that these old threads (at least as soon the problem did arise and we were aware of it) were saved and after the change of the server will be available again...

Sorry, I do not know when this will happen and we are now waiting for years...

In the meanwhile we have the possibility to chancel our hobby or to contribut to such threads as here. I for myself do appreciate these threads, try to contribute when I have something to contribute and I hope you do appreciate these informative and appreciable threads too. For at least some time I think we have to live with dying threads, as Landers says "...sooner or later it will disappar...they all do".
I try to save as much information as possible out of these threads for myself to be able to have them available when a thread is gone...
I am also looking in other forums, english speaking and german speaking. Although their threads are not disappearing the subjects are mostly the same and the same. But even with mebers who had changed to them from GDC, be sure, nowhere such knowledge concerning edged weapons like here.
Because of YOU, GENTS! Thank you.
Best regards,

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Originally posted by Landser:
Serge, sooner or later it will disappear....they all do.

So true Landser.
I guess people get tired of their hard work being deleted without any solution to this very day! And then sometime later someone pops out and asks for "membership dues". Ha! For a Blog?!

Like Wotan with another great "Wearing the dagger" thread with great photos.- Gone. I had started one, not long ago perhaps two years, on "How to Tell a Fake SS Chain". Good participation. Guys wanted to have a series of "How to tell.." But it disappeared so why bother when we all know it will soon be gone too?
And WHY after all this time is it NOT fixed ?

I don't know what goes on here but If if was my business it would have been fixed by now or the people responsible would have been fired !

-serge-

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Originally posted by Landser:
Janos, yes I do still have the Weyersberg piece. The number I think is 79. I can`t locate those images now or the forum post. Gone like so much else.

Landser,
does your "79" numbered Weyersberg have plated or non plated blade?

Janos

Janos, the blade is a normal polished blade with the lower positioned maker mark.

Better detail. I much prefer the look of your x guard. Although this is earlier it does not really represent a true Weyersberg product with the WKC fitting.

Maker mark

Hand work to pommel

crossguard on serial #291

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Originally posted by Paul:
Sadly not numbered, could anyone hazard a guess as to its place in the production run?

Paul, Is the blade nickle plated?
I've been trying to establish where the serial numbering stopped, along with the slant grip. Need more examples.
Check your crossguard to the late Weyersberg examples Degens shows.

Very Nice example you have, like Degens, of a 2nd run Weyersberg. (Terminology I use based only on the grip).

Don't be disappointed ...any Weyersberg Army you find is a scarce bird. We just happen to have most of them here.

-serge-

A wonderful plated blade on #291.



Landser,
Your #79 is unplated? How interesting!

No question where this crossguard fit in the run.

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Originally posted by Landser:
Janos, the blade is a normal polished blade with the lower positioned maker mark.

Landser,
thank you for the info.
My "106" numbered Weyersberg has normal polished blade also. (See photo)
IMO only the very low numbered Weyersbergs has polished blade.
My number 211 and Wagner's 290 and 291 has plated blade.
And the other, not numbered pieces (Degen's, Paul's dagger, my not numbered, etc.) has pladed blade too.

Wagner, Paul, Degens
thank you for post your beautiful daggers here.

Janos

Hello Everyone:
There is one great group of Weyersbergs on this string. Janos, I agree with you on the chronology of the WKC/Weyersberg crossguards. The Weyersbergs with the non-enhanced WKC crossguards seem to be earlier than the Weyersbergs with the Weyersberg unique guards. The ones with the WKC guards seem to always have the slanted grips, while the ones with the unique Weyersberg guards are found with both slanted and non slanted grips.

Also, the Weyersbergs with the unique guards seem to have the wood type screws holding in the throat.

Degens: Great call on the stippling.

I have a Weyersberg slant with the higher placed maker mark, unique crossguard, plated blade and the woodscrews holding in the throat. I cannot get the handle off but, looking gently under the washer does not reveal a number. I believe it is not numbered. Wish I could help more.

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Originally posted by Ford Crews:
Hello Everyone:
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I have a Weyersberg slant with the higher placed maker mark, unique crossguard, plated blade and the woodscrews holding in the throat. I cannot get the handle off but, looking gently under the washer does not reveal a number. I believe it is not numbered. Wish I could help more.

Hello and a warm welcome Ford.

On your "High Logo" Weyersberg would be the first IMO if it was not serial numbered. It is my belief that all the High placed Logo's, on either plated or polished blades, were serial numbered.
Even when Weyersberg lowered the logo closer to the hilt and plated the blade they seem to have been serial numbered up to 3XX ?
For sure you have a taper tang and probably a numbered blade like Janos's.
-JMO-

Regards,
Serge

Hi Serge:

THanks for the welcome. I cannot get the handle off and I don't want to force. I tried lifting up the washer. I cannot see a number, but you may very well be right. Unless I can get the washer off altogether, I would be willing to disqualify my earlier comments. I cannot be sure either way. It is a beautiful dagger, and I'll try and shoot a photo - perhaps tomorrow.

Here is my Weyersberg Slant. Still cannot get the handle off. Looked again (as best I could) under the washer and saw no sign of a number. Of course I cannot be sure without removing the handle and it is STUCK. Don't want to force.

Serge:

Upon rereading your post, I see we have a misunderstanding. My logo is close to the hilt. That seems to be a more accurate description than high or low. I looked again, and I do not believe there is a number.

Serge:
I may have used incorrect terminology (high or low). More accurately, my logo is close to the hilt.

Weyersbergs have always struck me as the most intelligent of the armies with their huge foreheads. Who knows what is going on behind those sleepy eyes? Perhaps this one is reflecting on his past? OR perhaps he only appears reflective since he was cleaned about 15 years ago. LOL

Hi Ford,
Thanks for the photos.
Yes, A low (close to the hilt) logo blade placement on your Weyersberg.
This example looks like it was in the same "run" as my numbered 290 and 291. Slant grip, same Weyersberg crossguard, plated blade.-Correction- just saw the close up of your eagle- -Seems like a different eagle crossguard- -It is just hard to imagine all the variations we see in this small initial fun from this great maker.

So if yours is not numbered it -IMO- can't be too far away from mine.
Then perhaps shortly afterward they switched to the "type 2" with standard grip as Degens and Paul show ?
Wonderful dagger BTW.

Regards,
-serge-

closeup of swaz & wreath.

Weyersberg scabbard showing flat wood screw type. Also, note the distinctive line on Weyersberg scabbards. It' the vertical line descending down from the throat for about a quarter of an inch. I have put my thumb under the bottom portion of it. The vertical line is about 2/3 of the way across the scabbard from right to left. (as you face it). This shell that is often seen on the transitional WKC daggers, as pictured on page 257 of WIttmann's Book. This is another reason I believe the Weyersbergs with the unique crossguards were produced later than those with the standard WKC crossguards. The vertical line is much more pronounced on the scabbard in WIttmann's book.

Serge:
It is the definitely the Weyersberg Eagle, similar to those of Janos, with the slight differences owing to skill with which the enhancements are completed.

Makes you wonder just how many are still around? Not many I'll bet.

Ford,
Your right-same eagle just a chasers own personalization.

Now look at this scabbard screws on #291.

Now here we have #290.

...and look at pommel #290.

Serge: Your 12:10 12:03 photo of your no. 291 shows the vertical mark descending down from the throat. It is the mark usually seen on the Weyersbergs with the unique crossguards.