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Hello all, I have this Paul Weyersburg bayonet that came with a canvas frog. Is this period or another repo? Also the bayonet has a pair of WaA255 on the pommel, is the number rught, I can't see the last digit? Regards, Walter
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Walter, I think that you are in reasonably good shape with this latest acquisition. The frog looks OK, and the Waffenamt should be a WaA253. As for the bayonet itself it looks like a rework. Which is not necessarily a problem by itself as the Germans reworked/refinished a number of them - and from the pictures posted it looks like it might have one done by the Germans. But that is not a 100 % guarantee as sometimes a closer look is needed. Best Regards, Fred
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Fred, thank you for your reply. Here are some closer photos of the bayonet. Walter
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Frog and bayo are nice legit examples , as for it being reworked ??? , regardless a VERY NICE bayo, here is my DAK frog Regards Will
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just to give the details, " 41 cof 9229(matching) letter block a ", Regards, Will.
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Will, Your tropical frog also looks period. (But when you get a chance you might want to reverse the grip screws.) The extra pictures help, and Walter’s bayonet IMO is still a period rework. Attached are some OEM factory (finished) 98K’s that I put together some time ago to discuss something else. Not the best of images, if you look closely at the pommels they are smooth. Lacking the scratches, pitting etc. seen with many of the reworks, that are underneath the bluing instead of on top. (With some of early vintage reworks, the quality of refinishing is sometimes really hard to tell from an original finish.) Regards to All, Fred
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Still not the best of images, here I think is a better representation of an OEM finish on a slightly later vintage bayonet. Something else to be looked at IMO is the condition of the grips. With reworks often lacking some of the crispness seen with new or near new grips. FP
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FP , yep that was my fault , this is an old pic , screws are back in the correct way , i got this rig of paul at lakeside last year , i took the grips off and found loads of sand compacted underneath, which is when i realised (to my mistake) the grips may not have been removed for some time , you live and learn
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I also have what i believe to be a rework (matching berg & co) in the post as we speak , hopefully it will be here tomorrow i'll post some pics
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Hi Will, you have a nice bayonet and frog. Thanks for sharing it with us. Since I acquired my tropical frog I've noticed there doesn't seem to be alot of them available. Are they rare? Walter
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Thanks for your reply Fred, the bayonets appear to be in the white that you show, is this true or has the blueing wore off? I looked at mine in natural light with a magnifing glass and some of the pits look reddish in the bottoms and some places blueish. The grips do show alot of wear. I also noticed a WaA253 on the releace button that I hadn'd seen before. Regards, Walter
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Walter, They are fairly deeply blued, and what you are seeing I think is a demonstration of my poor photographic abilities, and the glare from florescent lighting. Here is another image from that photo shoot that I think shows two of the bayonets to a better advantage. (I have no immediate recollection as what the red arrows were supposed to show.)
I'm also sure that I have some pictures somewhere (different bayonets), that show them with the lighting playing tricks. That in other shots show how much the (photographic) eye can be deceived. Best Regards, Fred
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(I don’t always have a bad day with imaging. Here are some images of a rework with another type of camera at a later date.)
While it can be very pleasing to find bayonets with their original finish intact. There is nothing wrong with period reworked 98K bayonets. And especially with the very early bayonets, they can be very difficult (and sometimes almost impossible) to find in orignal/OEM condition.
And sometimes the reworked bayonets themselves can have their own story to tell. With this example starting out life as a Weimar era (1927 dated) WuK. Being rebuilt more than once, it now has a 1934 dated Coppel scabbard. A later TR era Waffenamted frog stud button, black Bakelite grips, and parts from other bayonets. All armory re-numbered to match - before being reissued and serving once again circa 1939 or later. FP
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To Will piece 41cof, i believe there is sharpened blade same as the pommel was reblued probably, the frog is excellent.best regards,Andy P.Weyersberg could be well used, but from the pictures is hard to say, the blade should be mirror finish for 1938.
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