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hapur #271159 09/22/2012 07:35 AM
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Haha!

To bad - mybe sometime later we can learn how this is done.

Thanks for your input!


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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Yeah, that is interesting for me too - why? Why they did go this way, because like I said there are few easier and better quality options. Anyway I will try to do this sometimes in long winter evenings.


There are less original rings than you think, much less...

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hapur #276821 01/12/2013 09:07 AM
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For little movement here my first nice ring in 2013.
Again in the style of a party pin.
Ring is brass and silver plated. The red and black are enamel.
Here two not so good pics.
Opinions always welcome.

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
odal #276949 01/16/2013 09:33 AM
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Nice ring Odal; these are rare rings,but you know to find them!! smile

Because of the style I think it is an early ring.
Is the grey between the leaves grey-blackening or silver patina?

Benten

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benten #276957 01/16/2013 05:23 PM
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Thanks Benten!
I am always looking with 3 eyes wink

I agree, i think also its early pre 33 ring. grin
The grey you see s silver patina.

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
odal #288887 10/18/2013 12:08 PM
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An other little girls ring for my little collection.
Silver "800", enamel, diameter about 17 mm. Enjoy!

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
odal #288935 10/19/2013 01:48 AM
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Nice,,,on the smaller size,but they usually are.. Static Swas. , bet that's a real early ring!

Gaspare #288948 10/19/2013 07:48 AM
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Thanks, G.!
I think you are right.
After a lot researching and reading i am sure that most of this rings/items are pre may 33.


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
odal #288958 10/19/2013 04:44 PM
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Nice rings odal!

Since these are early 1933 made rings, wouldn't they be considered to be mass produced 1933 souvenir Kitsch rings?

Mikee #288963 10/19/2013 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mikee
Nice rings odal!

Since these are early 1933 made rings, wouldn't they be considered to be mass produced 1933 souvenir Kitsch rings?


I am not real sure that i understand your question with my english correct blush

But, yes, i think after may 33 most of this rings were such items therefoere the "Kitsch"-law (Gesetz zum Schutze der nationalen Symbole ....)was made.
Par example - remember how much of the real much Westwall rings show as swastika - only a hand full.
For using this symbols on a in Germany (1938 Austria too) you needed after may 33 a offical permission.
So there was only a realativly short time this items are produced and thats in my opinion the reason that they are rather rare.

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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"mass produced 1933 souvenir Kitsch rings"

Absolutely! and that's what we love to collect.. Anything that wasn't bring in money to the party was called 'Kitsch'!

A private purchase ring / and or a 'Canteen' ring...all are :
Mass produced rings for retail... Some guys like to collect custom one of a kind rings,,thats fine. But they are hard to authenticate and even date. Most of us here on thisforum collect mass produced made for retail sales rings!

Gaspare #289013 10/20/2013 02:56 AM
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odal, G,

Oh yes, I absolutely agree. Even while the Nazis were seizing power at the end of January 1933, a frenzy of all types of things imaginable was being mass produced by businesses big and small to make money. It was big business up until May 1933. The law and directives of 19 May 1933 put a big damper on it. But as we know they couldn't and didn't confiscate all of it. I remember an article which stated that a business had been warned not to sell Kitsch items anymore, and that the items weren't confiscated.

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Odal and I have been looking into this exact thing,,,the laws concerning this stuff!
Seems like they were deadly serious right around 1933,,,but for some odd reason there wasn't any enforcement.. Probably because it would have been almost impossible to enforce.
I think by the time the war started they basically just gave up and let be.... BUT, there might have been years before / or shortly after 1933 that there was a under the table understanding that jewelers and retails might have 'donated' some cash to the party for the no enforcement of the laws. [?]
We've found some laws,,but as I mentioned,,there wasn't enforcement.........

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Kitsch is far more than what we collect so that's really not entirely true, it was enforced to an extent but you have to look at the bigger picture of what was going on as early as 1928 with the League for German Culture and then with the renamed National Socialist Culture Community in 1934, which is the time frame we are interested in. And they in turn were aligned with the official body for cultural surveillance, or the Dienstelle Rosenberg. Have you heard the phrase "when I hear the word culture, I reach for my gun"? This isn't the actual phrase used in the play, but the one most used by Nazi leaders.

I agree. In 1933 the laws and directives were new and from what I've learned enforcement was taken serious by propaganda officers and police, but maybe because it was new more warnings were given. It seems that the Brown House judges in Munich, had decided on fresh decisions and passed more then a few items as unobjectionable because of the quality. But there was still a very long list of items that didn't pass judgment. I believe they did attempt to stop it, but how in the world could they totally. They couldn't and I believe they must've understood this fact.

Maybe this Kitsch served another purpose for them, because it did continue and articles of the day questioned why it was allowed to continue. Illegal activity flourishes as long as a product sells and we can't rule out the possibility that the propaganda ministers pockets were lined. But then again he was a hard core true believer in his party and AH, so did he truly mean what he stated in his speech?

In a speech he stated; "That for the advancement and maintenance of a program, an art was necessary which would encompass not simply symbols and events but a basic structure of ideas. So artistic value was not to be determined by cheap, anecdotal directness". Why it was allowed to continue is another mystery.

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To bad. My english isnt good enaugh for deep discussions about this theme.
After reading and researching a lot in my opnion the gouvernment in this time dit everything to stop these so called "Kitsch"-items. I am sure they forced through their law. There are examples enaugh for such manner.
In the case of this "Kitsch"-law they even gone a step further.
This law too became valid for pics, busts and other artworks that showed Hitler.
About this theme i found last weeks a very interesting and well researched book that uses and shows a lot of documented sources.

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
odal #289053 10/20/2013 06:24 PM
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odal,
Your doing just fine. Kitsch is so much broader than must realize. Agreed, these were the directives. It also covered leading personalities, art, singing and songs, literature, etc. Police regulations can also take effect and enforced. I'm sure I have that book and probably more. Thanks.

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"It also covered leading personalities, art, singing and songs, literature, etc"

I agree with that.. and reiterate, [just my theory],,that if it's not bringing in money to the party its Kitsch!

So we have the law, and the impossibility of enforcing it.. Maybe the Propaganda Minister thought that in writing the law itself that it would deter the retailers from stocking and maybe even the customers from wanting them..

Ha, ha,,who wouldn't want something like these for you and your girl! wink

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Gaspare #289758 11/03/2013 04:43 AM
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here is some more good old 'Kitsch'... This time for the fashionable lady to wear..

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Gaspare #290982 12/03/2013 06:20 PM
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Hi!
Here some "new" patriotika from the Kassel Militaria Show.
Enjoy!

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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My God Odal!,,,what a wonderful score that is!! Congrats!!!

Maybe when you have the time you can feature each ring [hallmarks,sides anything of interest etc.]...

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odal,

Your the man! WOW!

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Thanks friends!
And here we go!

The necklace:

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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Ring pattern 1:

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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Ring pattern 2:

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IMG_6062.JPG (106.01 KB, 319 downloads)
IMG_6063.JPG (107.67 KB, 322 downloads)
IMG_6064.JPG (93.05 KB, 319 downloads)

�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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Ring pattern 3:

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IMG_6068.JPG (118.94 KB, 317 downloads)
IMG_6069.JPG (92.48 KB, 318 downloads)

�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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4: (sorry the quick not so good pics - ring Looks real fine with black opaque enamel)

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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the bakealite piece is super! They all look like early pieces,,did they come from the same vendor?

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Yes, they all come from the same source. It seems a old dealers stock.


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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Time to show a new pattern here grin

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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Odal, that's a nice one. Looks like a wartime hallmark in it too. I have seen a period advert for it..

Here are a couple I picked up at the MAX.
Left one a little plain, red and black enamel,content marked. The other Red White and Black enamel, nice band, content marked..

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Thanks G.!
Seeing advert would be fine!

Cool ones you got at the MAX.
Better shots possible - espezially of the HJ?


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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here's the 2 I picked up at the MAX...

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Much thanks for closeups!
Real beauties!
I would prefer the one on the left side wink


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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Nice looking one!
Is a view of backside and hallmarks possible?


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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after a long time a new one for my collection.
Silver 935, multipiece and marcasite stones

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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no one a opinion ???


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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Odal did you say 935 silver?

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Originally Posted By: Byzanti
Odal did you say 935 silver?


Yes wink


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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Ok, if no one else has an opinion...Odal, thanks for the nice ring pics...so I see the evidence of the swas/ circle construction and at the very least this adds more handcrafting to the value of the ring IMO in piece construction...here's what I like or rather stands out to me...the marcasite stones are pretty cool...i don't know much abt the stone, so my curiosity is piqued because I wonder if that's the gems natural crystalline form? That IMO would be really cool Odal. Nice ring anyway
Mike

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